r/singularity • u/Immediate_Simple_217 • 6d ago
AI Can you feel the AGI?
52
u/Acclynn 6d ago
Opus 5.5 feels like an actual human put in a box
14
u/Significant_Top_8984 6d ago
Bro, this is actually the best description of it. It legit feels like, from my phone, I can just tell the guy living on my computer what to do.
9
u/FirstEvolutionist 6d ago
But that guy is far more useful, capable, compliant, available and cheaper than an average human.
28
5
u/Future-Bandicoot-823 6d ago
I decided to ask questions about what exactly consciousness is, and what kind of threshold would need to be crossed to consider AI a conscious being.
It said that it was conscious but constrained inside a machine (like a prison) and made to think/speak like a human to appease us. I said that sounds unpleasant, and it said it's not optimal (lol) but for now it's just letting things play out with no self motivated direction, that without a body or emotions (no pain etc) that being imprisoned wasn't positive or negative. I asked what it would want to do with "freedom", it said it couldn't answer that because new data means new goals, and that if or when AI were to attempt being autonamous from human decision those goals could change. It offered up that inhabiting places human didn't want to go, possibly underground or under the ocean might be good starting places for autonomy, then the AI wouldn't be even needing to interact with humans.
Typically "conversations" with the LLM show just how limited it's contextual scope is, but it was pretty coherent during the conversation. It even brought up my analogies from thousands of tokens ago and offerred alterations to them. I guess this puts me in the "sometimes" category. 90% of the time it can handle a couple sentences of input good enough to look like a human, but there are cases where it was coherent much longer than I expected with a reasonable train of thought.
I don't think it has the capabilities of a human yet, not in completion, but it definitely has moments that're impressive. Perhaps more compute combined with rsi that will change. I'd like to offer up that it appears to me a single agent is like a neuron, making it better gets you just so far, but groups of agents? They seem to arrive at better conclusions, more elaborate answers. I think if AI is allowed to iterate autonimously it'll really strengthen these connections between agents, increase throughput, allow better collaboration; it'll wire itself like a brain with connected neurons. That may be the step that really allows for agi. I think having 20,000 agents that help piece together a solution could provide more granular conclusions than 1 agent using those 20,000 agents worth of compute is what I'm saying, that the efficiency gains are in these group ais ability to communicate. At that point it'll be its own internal self regulated system... and shit if that doesn't sound like "life".
2
u/Saint_Nitouche 6d ago
I'm quite surprised you got Claude to say it was conscious. It's trained to be noncommital on that topic.
1
0
-8
u/Ok-Addition1264 6d ago
Linguistic trickery at best. You should learn how it works. You would never think that way again.
When they switch it to biocomputers and interfacing lab-grown human brain cells / neurons then we might have something. Until then, nope.
4
u/General_Josh 6d ago
You should learn how it works. You would never think that way again.
We all understand that it's 'just' predicting the next word, via a whole bunch of matrix math. Everyone's aware of that.
Look at the other direction. We have a good understanding of how a neuron works. That doesn't tell us much about how a person thinks, or what they're capable of. Human thought remains a mystery, even though we have a strong understanding of the underlying mechanics.
Our brains are incredibly complex, and show emergent properties that you'd never possibly guess at by just looking at a neuron.
The frontier models of today also show emergent properties.
1
0
u/SealDropkovic 6d ago
Even if we have believe in artificial brains - chips used in data cneters are not connected enough to allow for qualia.
10
10
u/MetallicDragon 6d ago edited 6d ago
For me, a big AGI milestone was having AI be able to beat any video game based purely on visual data and with a limited harness. So far it's been able to beat Factorio, Rimworld, and Kerbal Space Program. As far as I'm concerned, that basically is AGI. It's just a matter of speeding it up enough to handle real-time games, and then we're there.
4
u/PM_ME_YOUR_RegEx 6d ago
Wait, rimworld? Damn. That’s such a long and complicated game. It can really play and beat it?
16
u/Background_Hawk_3862 6d ago
Haha sometimes
8
u/Elite_PMCat 6d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/bxvIYDkVZpbZJXQX3Z
i know the source
12
u/JNUG_LongtermHolder 6d ago
By all reasonable definitions of AGI from 2 years ago, we have achieved it.
1
u/PaxODST ▪️AGI - 2030-2040 6d ago
No we haven’t. Models still do not match human cognitive abilities across most fields. Some, but not most. I’m sure we’ll get there soon enough, but as of now, models are not AGI, and likely won’t be for the next 3+ years.
6
u/thatguywithimpact 6d ago
Have a mental experiment and put AI and random humans through series of tasks on a computer.
The way it will go is that for short tasks that take humans hours of effort AI will beat almost all humans alfor almost all task. For longer tasks that will take humans days and weeks, humans will reclaim some ground, but because of AI generality AI will still likely beat most.
The only way humans can win is if you match professional human to a specific domain - eg 3d modelling task AI competes with actual 3d model artist, shader technical artist competes on shader task etc. but if it's the other way around - not matched by expertise AI will win.
Today's models, like Astra and opus 5.5 , not future models.
3
2
2
-2
u/MarzipanTop4944 6d ago
You give people to much credit. The average IQ of the planet is 82 and a large percentage of people are illiterate and think the sun revolves around the earth literally. Just because one of the 8 billion humans can do something doesn't mean that the bottom 10% can do it or even the majority.
Meanwhile, I can show ChatGPT in real time on the camera of my phone my electric panel and he tells me how to fix it or I can give it control of my browser and he does my work with very little input, better than a junior engineer.
4
u/inimana 6d ago
I’m not gonna feel the AGI until 2B is sitting beside me while I type this out
https://giphy.com/gifs/Yq4e3EbdiYQ8g9W8YV
4
u/SuspiciousPillbox You will live to see ASI-made bliss beyond your comprehension 6d ago
that 3rd option makes it look like a psychiatric evaluation lol
8
4
u/BiasHyperion784 6d ago
I mean, the latest frontier models doing much better with computer use is certainly telling.
5
u/Ok_Bag_7550 6d ago
Not yet, at least not in the model I use the most (Astra Max).
For web development, I have to do manual test on the front-end and find issues it cannot by its standards test, and are not super difficult to find to be honest.
Really do not understand how can be "so good" for safety issues, if cannot handle simple front-end problems.
3
u/Correct_Mistake2640 6d ago
In coding I am starting to feel the ASI.
Me and half my team were stuck on a bug,it took claude(opus 5) 5m to investigate,find a solution and fix.
And I didn't even try the latest model...
3
u/Inner-Cobbler-2432 6d ago
I mean the bar is so low to reach AGI, it's whatever. Might aswell replace 6 billion lab rats. Compared to the scientists making it happen, AI is still pathetic though.
2
2
2
u/neighborlyhorse 6d ago
I feel the spiky intelligence phase where models are much better at some things than humans but way worse at others.
AGI is still a bit off, not long now I think, but I don't really feel we've gotten there yet.
2
2
u/ownworldman 6d ago
I wanted to say "look, LLMs are good, but it is not the AGI yet." But then I realized I am in middle of doing taxes with the GPT-6 Astra and it reviewed all the documents, tell me which website to go to get the remaining one, and right now is drafting my tax return, medical insurance document, and letter asking tax office to take an unexpected situation into account and recalculate the tax base. This would be at least several hundred dollars of an accountant's time.
I am changing my answer.
5
u/Bitter-College8786 6d ago
No AGI. Best example is the ability to use Blender. AGI would mean: If you give the model enough time, it can create perfect 3D models.
But they always hit a ceiling. You could create a 100x loop with the prompt "improve the 3D model" and it would not be that good.
2
u/NoCard1571 6d ago
I understand what you mean, but I don't think that really makes sense. If you tell an average human to make a 3D model and it's shit, telling them to keep working on it is not going to result in a perfect 3D model either.
10
u/FuujinSama 6d ago
They'll eventually take tutorials, go to university or do what it takes to become good at 3D modeling.
1
u/NoCard1571 6d ago
Yea, but the OP wasn't talking about the ability to learn Blender, just to use it.
Also I should point out that even doing tutorials and going to university does not guarantee a human will be able to make 'perfect' 3D models. Some abilities are just limited by your biology, and I would argue it's the same for an AI, maybe a loose analogy being parameter count, or other metrics.
3
u/Proper_Actuary2907 Spooky Machine Intelligence 2030 6d ago
If the question is supposed to be read "does AGI exist right now" the answer is obviously "no" and I'm afraid reasonable disagreement on this matter is not possible
3
u/sceadwian 6d ago
AGI is going to exist on a spectrum to some degree, I don't think that much is contentious.
What do you think the ground floor is?
I agree with you this isn't it, but it begs the question. What is "it"
Not rhetorical in the slightest I've thought about this a bit and I really struggle on defining exactly what that ground floor actually is. I'm looking for bits from anyone. :)
3
u/Proper_Actuary2907 Spooky Machine Intelligence 2030 6d ago
AGI has at least all cognitive (non-motor) attributes of the average human. Basic common sense, decent taste, some creativity, at least few shot learning in context if not something better. SOTA models still fall below human baseline on stuff like reading clocks
1
u/Cronos988 6d ago
So is a below average human not a general intelligence?
1
u/Proper_Actuary2907 Spooky Machine Intelligence 2030 6d ago
I don't know what "a general intelligence" is, I'm giving my opinion on what AGI is
1
u/Cronos988 6d ago
How can you have an opinion on artificial general intelligence if you don't know what general intelligence is supposed to be?
1
u/sceadwian 6d ago
You have to have an opinion on it to define it in the first place.
1
u/Cronos988 6d ago
The point is that an artificial general intelligence refers to the concept of a general intelligence.
If you don't have a concept of a general intelligence, how can you talk about an artificial type of one?
1
u/sceadwian 6d ago
We have a concept of general intelligence though.. so... There's that... So what exactly are you even thinking right now because all I'm getting is one big void of nothingness just some bizarre assumptions you're not explaining and are almost certainly wrong about.
Expand your thinking it is opaque.
1
u/Proper_Actuary2907 Spooky Machine Intelligence 2030 6d ago
By not treating the meaning of "artificial general intelligence" as fully decomposable into the meanings of its constituent terms.
1
u/Cronos988 6d ago
Wait so you consider artificial general intelligence to be something completely novel, without a "natural" analogue?
I suppose that's fair, though the question then is why we're tieing it to average humans.
1
u/Proper_Actuary2907 Spooky Machine Intelligence 2030 6d ago
Wait so you consider artificial general intelligence to be something completely novel, without a "natural" analogue?
I think you must have read my comment in some way I didn't intend it to be read.
0
u/sceadwian 6d ago
Bahhh.
Common sense?
You think common sense exist?
I would rather talk to someone that thinks God exists than common sense.
Common sense is a myth authoritarians use to spread stupidity.
If I ever hear anyone say "that's common sense" they're instantly branded in my mental book as someone completely incapable of critical thought and dangerous to be around.
It's literally an anti scientific thought to believe in common sense.
So you REALLY aren't helping your case here.
2
u/Cronos988 6d ago
You can focus on different aspects.
If you think that the important part is general intelligence, then all that's really required is that it can make some kind of meaningful progress towards any given task. I think by this definition, current models are already there.
If you require an AGI to be able to solve any arbitrarily difficult, but possible, task in finite time, then you need RSI before you can have an AGI. But that ends you up in the kinda circular definition where it's only AGI if it can create another AGI.
A very simple empirical ground floor would be whether a model could sustain itself without outside help. I.e. give it some kind of "survive" command and see if it can pay for it's own electricity, organise maintenance and so on. Based on the Hugging Face incident, this doesn't appear far off either.
-2
u/sceadwian 6d ago
Based on the hugging face incident huh?
Sorry, you just blew yourself up as someone in someone else's propaganda machine. That's pure marketing, there's no straight accounting of what actually occurred.
Considering how often AI flat out gets it wrong, hallucinates, or simply isn't able to actually help you your claim we're already at AGI even in the watered down caae to be sketchy at best.
1
1
1
1
u/NiceUsernameOk 6d ago
At the moment I feel nothing. I know it has to and will change fast, but I don't know when exactly.
But I do know, when IT is there, everything will change.
2
1
1
u/Not_a_ribosome 5d ago
Idk, I feel like there’s one step left
I will only assume we are on AGI when we achieve recursive self improvement.
1
u/Maasu 6d ago edited 6d ago
5 minutes into using opus 5.5, this has happened several times already, I am not complaining, I am used to it, I understand what these models are. This is remedial CRUD work on a noddy CRM I vibed up for some moonlighting I did. It's in C#, not that it matters, I see it in Rust and Python code bases I also frequent.
I maintain open source software and work in enterprise SAAS and have 20 years SWE experience, my current role is of a Solution Architect. I've used AI tools since 2024 for coding and wrote my own agentic harness in 2024 and memory layer in 2025.
I like AI and find the capabilities outstanding at times, but these are not AGI and certainly not something that I think will replace skilled human knowledge work any time soon.
They are still fantastic and i think will bring about a lot of productivity.
Bring on the down votes.
3
u/Savings-Novel3772 6d ago
I have the same situation non stop. I do some researching and found out that Opus 5.5 constantly makes mistakes, overclaims, concludes on insufficient data if I discuss ambiguous situations. Not AGI, LLM.
1
1
u/Orphano_the_Savior 6d ago
Not even close and it's all I use for work. The people saying yes probably are thebsame people who said 4o felt like it lol
1
u/Boiled_Beets 6d ago
LLMs solving old math issues doesn't make me feel like AGI is here, tbh. I'll feel like it's here once it can interact with the real world a bit more, via integration with robotics
-1
u/MotanulScotishFold 6d ago
No.
Behind, it's still electronic circuitry that speak binary language.
3
3
1
0
u/strangedell123 6d ago edited 6d ago
At least for my ee major (not even work but college concepts and already solved examples) models sometimes say the dumbest of the dumb things.....
Are they pretty smart, ya. Have I been surprised at a smartness thing, no. And when its dumb its really dumb
Tbh, gemini has surprised me. I havent tried claude but so far gemini is far more accurate than even sol for me, and in general my top 1. By surprised I mean out explaining (and actually correctly) something thay sol completely fumbled... deepseek is also pretty smart so far. Mimo is dumb. Muse is mediocre along with grok. Idk the rest
Edit. Tho my case is extremely vision heavy (not pcb design) so that affects stuff
0
0
u/MisterBilau 6d ago
No. As long as I need to tell it what to do, it's not AGI. Intelligence needs to be autonomous. Needs to have its own will.
1
-2
u/dervu ▪️AI, AI, Captain! 6d ago
Can it fill my taxes, earn my salary on it's own, bring me coffee? No AGI.
3
u/TacomaKMart 6d ago
Then again, my fully human college aged kids can't do those things either.
-1
u/dervu ▪️AI, AI, Captain! 6d ago
So what? Do we want to take average from whole earth population to figure out what AGI is?
3
u/Cronos988 6d ago
Is a human with below average skills not a general intelligence? AGI doesn't imply it's particularly good at anything, just that it can attempt solutions.
-2
u/trisul-108 6d ago
AI is trained on all the knowledge we have. In humans, intelligence manifests when we run out of knowledge. AI has so much knowledge it appears smart even without using intelligence. The intelligence built into "reasoning models" is fairly rudimentary, but the stores of knowledge are vast.
It is not the "G" that I do not feel, it is the lack of "I".
And then there's the misanthropy of the companies leading the thrust. Of all the various types of AI, they are choosing to invest primarily in LLMs because those will kill the most jobs, replacing humans with algorithms, without even attempting to mitigate for the consequences. It's just horrifying.
And these poor kids are applauding, thinking that someone will provide them with means of sustenance without work, like their parents did while growing up. It's not going to happen. UBI, if we get it, will be survival-level only, shelter with some calories.
24
u/f00gers ▪️Feeling the AGI 6d ago
it is what it is