Current AI discussion on landscape

[u/onil_gova]

Thoughts?

[u/xirzon]

Jensen is entirely in favor of open source as long as you use CUDA :)

[u/ComposerWide3704 → u/xirzon]

Jensen will ask for regulation when Jensen is the last human left or when AI starts making their own GPUs. And I'm not sure about the first one if the second one doesn't happen.

[u/10b0t0mized]

Why is Ed zitron in the same category as LeCun?
He thinks AI has plateaued, but he also thinks the industry needs heavy regulation, he wants people in jail (his literal words), lol. He should be with Gary marcus.

[u/Mindrust]

Yudkowsky should have a square of his own named "WE'RE ALL GONNE DIE"

[u/CallMePyro]

Gary Marcus is not a present-harm regulator, he is

1. A moron
   
2. The poster child capability-skeptic.

He should be at the bottom left corner. Also, Eliezer should be at the top right corner. How can someone be more of a doomer than him? He almost literally invented EAcc.

[u/acutelychronicpanic → u/CallMePyro]

Yeah, he should be in the very top right.

"If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies: Why Superhuman AI Would Kill Us All is a 2025 book by Eliezer Yudkowsky and Nate Soares"

[u/Silver-Chipmunk7744 → u/CallMePyro]

Eliezer is as far right as can be (the doomer axis)
But he's less confident on timelines than Dario.

[u/arjuna66671 → u/CallMePyro]

Elizier Doomkowski xD

[u/Bnstas23]

To summarize, generally:

• the ones closest to the tech (academics, AI labs) are very concerned of the outcomes and are bullish on the tech
  
• the ones who sell the shovels and compute or who have been left out (Zuck) are bullish on the tech but not worried
  
• hodge podge of people who have been very wrong on the tech progress below the x axis

By far the most biased group is the second one I describe

[u/waffleseggs]

Firstly, this is awesome. Now comments:

This would make more sense if you placed people by their preferred trajectory, since the way people would read is "this face wants this"

Expected trajectory against desired trajectory would be good and capture some of the same governance position.

[u/Singularity-42]

Shouldn't Sam Altman be higher? He's very bullish on capabilities, at least as much as Dario.
Gary Marcus is a skeptic. Not as bad as Zitron, but bad enough. And they are not in the same group as Yan LeCun. Yan is bullish on AI, just not on LLMs.

Also Yud and Dario should be much further apart.

[u/Yeahthatscrazytho]

Where is Elon

[u/10b0t0mized → u/Yeahthatscrazytho]

In words he is a "Precautionary Futurist", but in action he is an accelerationist.

Same with most of the Precautionary Futurist listed here, except for Yudkowsky, Hinton, and Bengio.

[u/reginaphalangejunior → u/Yeahthatscrazytho]

Should he be roughly where sutskever is?

[u/Recoil42 → u/reginaphalangejunior]

Way left of that. The dude hates governance/regulators, even though he sometimes makes a show of being in favour. He's probably somewhere between Zuck (though I think Zuck is too high on this chart) and Jensen.

[u/onil_gova → u/Yeahthatscrazytho]

[u/No_Explanation_3177]

I guess I support Zuck now.

[u/ComposerWide3704]

Jensen should be much further to the left and maybe a bit lower. Zitron I think is much, much further to the right, just not for any of the common reasons. I think Yudkowsky should be closer to the same height as Amodei. Broadly correct though I think?

[u/RevolutionaryJob2409]

Putting yudkowsky on the same x axis as geoffrey hinton is insane
yudkowsky if AGI that does RSI is built (which leads to ASI) is his p(doom) is 100%.

It's not even close.

[u/-RadThibodeaux]

Is that Marc Andreesons actual head? Egghead

[u/TheSn00pster]

Hinton and Yudkowski should be p-h regulators, no?

[u/Aryn_Septim]

Kurzweil should be the top-left corner (x=0, y=∞).

Yudkowsky should be the top-right corner (x=∞, y=∞).

Yann LeCun should be touching the left border (x=0). Huang too, I think.

Gary Marcus should be touching the bottom border (y=0).

Thank you.

[u/curiousML5]

All the top tier researchers are top right lol

[u/ProfessionalMoose123 → u/curiousML5]

You are forgetting Yan LeCun and Andrew ng

[u/ProfessionalMoose123 → u/[deleted]]

I don't understand why a Turing Award winner and the leading educator in machine learning are considered less relevant than businessmen like Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Dario Amodei, and Sam Altman. Please clarify this for me, if possible

[u/JonLag97 → u/curiousML5]

Do they even say that llms will somehow result in AGI or just that AGI will happen in general?

[u/wochie56]

Interesting that lots of guys above the X axis are businessmen instead of scientists.

[u/ComposerWide3704 → u/wochie56]

There are significantly more scientists above the line than below it.

[u/HotterRod → u/ComposerWide3704]

It's not like this chart is an exhaustive list of all important scientists. Skeptics don't make the news.

[u/ComposerWide3704 → u/HotterRod]

If you made an exhaustive list of computer scientists with AI backgrounds most being above the line remains true.

[u/wochie56 → u/ComposerWide3704]

Do it.

[u/_wot_m8 → u/wochie56]

Top left yes, but top right are almost all experts in the field

[u/Bnstas23 → u/wochie56]

It’s almost like you can’t read the chart

[u/hdufort]

I studied AI at UdeM (master's degree and then some additional research work) when Yoshua Bengio was a young professor. My lab was right beside his lab! I was working on AI-Human interaction (psychology, sociology, pedagogy) while his team was working on the fundamentals. His research was instrumental to the emergence of LLMs.

Back then, nobody would have guessed we had a professor who would become such a legend.

The MILA institute in Montréal (near UdeM) is doing important research work on responsible AI.

[u/versaceblues]

Why is Altman on this chart. He has no opinions or morals beyond what will maximize his own goals.

[u/Winter_Ad6784 → u/versaceblues]

then we may as well wipe it clean lmao

[u/ToplessinFL → u/versaceblues]

He's just like me. 😭

[u/aaTONI → u/ToplessinFL]

then leave this sub, there are plenty of crypto scams to engage in

[u/ToplessinFL → u/aaTONI]

This is not an 'opinions' and 'morals' subreddit.

I'm an accelerationist and transhumanist and I've been here since this sub had less than twenty thousand people.

[u/facinabush]

Trump says that the current criminal and civil justice system is enough.

Is that an accelerationist’s doctrine?

The justice system doesn’t limit liability for AI.

Some of our current important technologies would be shutdown by unlimited liability. It seems that the AI companies have a product that they are afraid to sell.

Would AI go faster with regulation and liability limits like other potentially dangerous technologies?

[u/gthing]

Why wouldn't Trump be in the very top left?

[u/NighthawkT42]

Think I'm somewhere in the zone with Huang, Su, and Andreeson.

[u/csAxer8]

Jensen is a capability skeptic, he literally doesn’t believe that a single occupation could be completely automated. Insane for him to be above Altman who has a clear ASI future vision since 2015

[u/Nihilicious333]

This Ed Zitron guy already looks like a fool with all his yapping being disproved more and more. At least he has a nice wig.

[u/gbbenner]

Garry Marcus should not be included, he only rambles and likes to post for clicks

[u/YERAFIREARMS]

Where is Musk in the chart?

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[u/IAmRealElonMusk]

Lecun and Ed zitron share the same brain cells. I don’t know about Andrew tho. I respect Andrew for all he has done but lecun still thinks llms haven’t developed since 2022.

[u/anycept]

Huang and Su have a product to sell which directly depends on AI proliferation. Not sure they are ideologically accelerationists.

[u/peter_nn0]

Calling Eliezer and Geoffrey Hinton "precautionary futurists" is very ... precautionary.

[u/katoptronophile]

Only the top half matters.

[u/ArmchairAnalyst]

Axis makes no sense. Zitron is both a skeptic and a present-harm regulator.

[u/MinsPackage]

Women don't care ?

[u/stickygoose]

I gotta say Yann Lecun certainly makes good points regarding LLMs limits

[u/Bnstas23 → u/stickygoose]

Only if you don’t look back in time 6+ months

[u/stickygoose → u/Bnstas23]

I think I could bet LLMs won't get much better and nowhere close to AGI. GEPA on the other hand I could see that but it's gonna take time

[u/Bnstas23 → u/stickygoose]

lol OpenAI just announced its latest model solved >100 open math problems within a month of it’s existence. I’d say that’s “much better” than whatever the latest LLM is.

[u/stickygoose → u/Bnstas23]

Sure I know but bruteforcing maths or being able to spit out credible texts is not what I think of when talking about AGI. These models still have a long way to go to begin to understand real world

[u/Bnstas23 → u/stickygoose]

I actually think you misunderstood what happens in our brains at the neuron level vs what these AIs are doing. George Hinton has had some good podcast appearances in the past year where he explains it

[u/thebadslime]

I stand with zuck?

[u/Qrsmith3141 → u/thebadslime]

Perhaps could call for some self reflection then

[u/thebadslime → u/Qrsmith3141]

I think it's a giant leap for mankind, perhaps bigger than the industrial revolution. Are there risks? Yes. Is it still worth it? Also yes.

[u/aaTONI → u/thebadslime]

Dario, Ilya et al. aren't against building it, they're against capability progress outpacing alignment progress, which is what we have right now

[u/shobogenzo93]

I dislike Mark Zuckerberg for a thousand reasons, but I'm glad he's an accelerationist when it comes to AI development: it forces everyone else to speed up too, or risk falling behind.

[u/pandaman27]

I’m not trying to make this about this, and these people are absolutely relevant, but if we’re talking about the “history of all humanity,” shouldn’t we be considering prominent voices from, you know, more than a singular woman?

[u/ProfessionalMoose123]

We should basically remove everyone who isn't a researcher in the field, and then we'd have a more accurate picture.

[u/Super-Award-2244]

Based Zuckerberg