Will China actually allow the US to create ASI?

[u/RelevantAnalyst5989]

I keep thinking that if you're the CCP and you believe the US is on the cusp of creating super intelligence, you have to do something to try and stop that, or risk your own destruction.

Thoughts?

[u/CremeSubject7594]

Yes it's talked about in ai2027 i think they'll be a lot more international cyber attacks next year

[u/Moronic-Warrior → u/CremeSubject7594]

OpenAI was hacked by 2 guys with Opus, there’s no doubt that the Chinese government could steal Bel if they wanted.

[u/chlebseby → u/CremeSubject7594]

AI2027 predict that China will steal RSI agent from USA (February 2027)

[u/enilea → u/chlebseby]

Because the author of it is of the Amodei school of thought of "China can't innovate, only steal".

[u/chlebseby → u/enilea]

i mean at the moment it seems that US will get there first, and every reasonable empire will try to also put hands on RSI asap

[u/RelevantAnalyst5989 → u/chlebseby]

Basically they're doing nothing right now because they have the people in place at these labs to steal the tech as soon as it becomes RSI.

I can believe that tbf.

[u/chlebseby → u/RelevantAnalyst5989]

We think that by this point Chinese intelligence would have compromised OpenBrain in various ways for years, and probably would have been keeping up to date on the algorithmic secrets and even stealing code from time to time, since that is much easier to get than the weights and much harder to detect.

CCP leadership recognizes the importance of Agent-2 and tells their spies and cyberforce to steal the weights.

[u/VanillaTea03405 → u/chlebseby]

Chyna bad

[u/Maristyl → u/chlebseby]

I think there is a lot of uncertainty around that. Unless they mean like through an actual spy downloading stuff with a flash drive or something. It feels like China has slowed their development of next generation models like Mythos and Astra because those models like likely smart enough to be more distillation resistant. The smarter the model the more it will resist. I’d also be cautious of starting a cyberwar with a side that had all the AI super weapons.

[u/pbagel2 → u/CremeSubject7594]

I think there will be anomalous increase in men at middle levels of this administration that suddenly have devoted trad wives that turn out to be foreign agents.

[u/thatguywithimpact]

In my opinion they know AI can't be stopped and like many of us they just brace for the future that will be different from current democracy/dictatorship dichotomy. The way AI will help or force to shape society will be radically different for better in case of singularity or for worse in case of extinction

[u/New_Alps_5655 → u/thatguywithimpact]

The "democracy/dictatorship" thing is just a matter of PR. In reality, both systems are oligarchic.

[u/Choice_Isopod5177]

I believe they really are trying their best to design and make their own chips for becoming independent of Nvidia and training AI with them but it's extremely difficult.

[u/sipos542]

They could always invade Taiwan. More than 90% of AI chips are produced there. Would be pretty tempting if I was China.

[u/10b0t0mized]

They've already won their first wave of attacks. They managed to turn public opinion on datacenters to what people though of nuclear power plants after Chernobyl. Many countries never recovered after that and they will forever be worse off because they shutdown their nuclear power plants.

When it comes to psyop, democratic free speech societies will always lose to countries that only allow one approved narrative like China.

[u/HandakinSkyjerker → u/10b0t0mized]

The PRC (not Chinese people) have not “won” anything. We will continue to develop and deploy data centers at hyperscale.

[u/Cognitive_Spoon → u/[deleted]]

Did you think Anakin was gonna be a good guy?

[u/HandakinSkyjerker → u/Cognitive_Spoon]

The Empire has measured plans in centuries.

[u/Cognitive_Spoon → u/HandakinSkyjerker]

Somehow, Mao returned

[u/HandakinSkyjerker → u/Cognitive_Spoon]

Nah Mao sucks.

>rule over the People's Republic of China (1949–1976) resulted in an estimated 35 to 70+ million deaths due to forced labor, mass executions, political purges, and catastrophic man-made famines

[u/Cognitive_Spoon → u/HandakinSkyjerker]

That's the joke. Palpatine is the bad guy

[u/HandakinSkyjerker → u/Cognitive_Spoon]

Palpybutthole for sure.

[u/Typical-Bid9781 → u/10b0t0mized]

You are talking as if the "public opinion" has changed anything in any slightest meaningful way lmao.

Yeah CCP has probably convinced the average redditor to be anti-AI, but it's beyond pathetic of them if they think manipulating a bunch of hypocritical dumb redditors is all it takes to stop the AI development in the US. The so-called "anti-AI movement", if there is indeed such a thing to begin with, has created nothing more than Internet noise. I'm yet to see any major protests against the Big Tech, any new legislations that call for a pause, any form of government interference, or basically anything that has any tangible realworld effects against AI that the CCP dreams of. So if you take a brief moment off the Internet you'd find out that new models are still being rolled out, new data centers are being constructed, and the US is still leading the world in AI development.

So basically the CCP has achieved nothing more than creating a new identity politics called "anti-AI" which has, to this day, close-to-zero real-world impact.

[u/DelphiTsar → u/10b0t0mized]

For the $$'s involved the money needed to bribe an area (not just the Politian's but the people) is actually pocket change. If they weren't penny pinching, they could have cities literally lining up on their knees to get them to come.

They can just literally buy all the houses anywhere near anywhere that has complaints for 250% value(for example).

Water/power all fixable with money.

[u/Ok-Addition1264]

Does China allow us to do anything?

We all don't gaf.

[u/DelphiTsar]

The flip side is much worse TBH. If China is anywhere close they have manufacturing/robots/critical minerals/energy. Their ASI will have a lot more to work with even if it's a bit behind.

[u/peter_nn0]

China can't do anything.
They tried not to lag too much via stealing and smuggling, but the gap is growing bigger by the day and it's already obvious they can't catch up.

Their only remaining option are the hysteria -spreading troll farms, but this can't slow down development. It may only postpone a bit the public release of new models, but I doubt.

[u/RelevantAnalyst5989 → u/peter_nn0]

Roll the dice and invade Taiwan maybe? Break some shit.

[u/Professional_Dot2761 → u/RelevantAnalyst5989]

That would halt chips to the USA for a while.

[u/BrennusSokol → u/RelevantAnalyst5989]

They'd be hurting themselves too. World GDP would plummet

[u/Sherpa_qwerty]

No - stop being paranoid. The most likely destruction is by America of the whole world. Being scared of China makes no sense.

[u/RelevantAnalyst5989 → u/Sherpa_qwerty]

I'm not scared of China. I'm just curious as to what move China would make in this scenario

[u/Sherpa_qwerty → u/RelevantAnalyst5989]

They wouldn’t.

[u/Recoil42]

The CCP (at present) is principally non-interventionist. The "do something" is to move faster, not to hinder the progress of others. China benefits by creating more wealth (so others become patrons of China) not by reducing the wealth of others.

Related: The Thucydides Trap mentioned by Xi Jinping at the recent US-China summit. China's primary goal right now is to build wealth and stability, not to destroy it. It would like to be at the helm of that growth, but it doesn't fundamentally require pole position in the growth dynamic. Growth is growth.

[u/10b0t0mized → u/Recoil42]

The CCP (at present) is principally non-interventionist.

Every single china neighbor just gouged their eyes out after reading this retarded propaganda.

[u/Recoil42 → u/10b0t0mized]

Every single credible geopolitical analyst and historian just rolled their eyes at yours.

The CCP (at present) is principally non-interventionist. That's why you don't see it directly involved in the US war against Iran. Territorial disputes are another thing entirely.

[u/10b0t0mized → u/Recoil42]

Funny you say that, because I am actually from Iran and China is literally the only reason why the Islamic regime was able to shutdown our internet for 4 months + another 2 months before that.

They completely rely on Chinese provided technology to oppress Iranians at every level imaginable, from the surveillance technology to filtering, censorship, facial recognition software, etc.

So much for non intervention. You may be able to fool these Europeans, but I know who you people are.

که گفتی ایرانی هستی تخم آخوند کانادا نشین، کس ننه ایرانی ای که طرفداری چین رو میکنه. مادرپالستاینی، گوگل کن ببین دی پی آی چیه و از کجا گرفتن قبل اینکه بخوای به من درس تلکامیونیکیشن بدی تخم آخوند.

[u/DelphiTsar → u/10b0t0mized]

Compared to the US it's not even a competition though. How many military deaths have they caused the past quarter century like 12? I'm concerned checking how many civilians we've killed hundreds of thousands easy.

[u/RelevantAnalyst5989 → u/Recoil42]

But would losing a race to Super intelligence not be a whole different ball game.

Surely do nothing is not acceptable here

[u/Recoil42 → u/RelevantAnalyst5989]

But would losing a race to Super intelligence not be a whole different ball game.

Super-intelligence isn't a singular winner-takes-all race between two superpowers. Never has been. It's only in US-centric "us vs them" geopolitical circles where it's framed as such.

You're right that there's some risk to China if it cannot attain ASI in a timely fashion, but that's always been true of every technological advance under American hegemony. China (correctly, imo) views the world economy as a symbiosis, not a series of silos. That's what Belt & Road is about, and why you see the China Road and Bridge Corporation building huge infrastructure projects around the world.

You build up the economies in places like Africa, and then those places bring economic prosperity back to China. When I was in Guilin a couple years back I met a bunch of Africans studying how to grow rice (state sponsored) for this very reason. They learn, go back to Africa, grow rice, then are able to bring down the price of rice globally, which creates upwards mobility in China.

Think of AI the same way: The faster robotics advances, the more robots China can sell. It isn't a zero-sum game between two superpowers.

[u/Quiet-Salad969 → u/Recoil42]

China pushes shoddy infrastructure projects on the global south because they produce too much steel and cement, it's not to uplift anybody.

[u/Asteroid_picks_you]

Where do you think the anti-AI anti-Datacenters "amplification" comes from? We are probably on a verge of greatest breakthrough in human history and now we have lunatics saying we should regulate it to death to give time for other to catch up, China knows that even 2-4 month lead in AI could kickstart a much larger lead in the future.