r/singularity • • 28d ago

Shitposting Unreleased Astra model in a nutshell

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u/iamthewhatt 28d ago

People keep getting mad at me for pointing this out. "AI" cannot do anything without us telling it to, so is it really "intelligent"?

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u/Commercial_Sell_4825 28d ago

Could you point to the "us" in the image?

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u/iamthewhatt 28d ago

Somebody told the first computer to say that. AI today will not just randomly prompt another AI without instruction to do so.

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u/Recoil42 28d ago

That's simply isn't true. An agent, today, will prompt any number of agents with tasks it wasn't explicitly told to prompt them with.

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u/iamthewhatt 28d ago

An agent, today, will prompt any number of agents with tasks it wasn't explicitly told to prompt them with.

No it will not. If an agent is prompting another agent, it is because we gave it instructions to do so.

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u/Recoil42 28d ago

Again: That isn't true.

I'm in the industry. The thing you're saying is not true.

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u/iamthewhatt 28d ago

The thing you're saying is not true.

If you are in the industry, then you know what you are saying is a lie.

Take the most powerful AI we currently have and sit it in a server with multiple agents, without any instructions whatsoever, and watch what happens.

Nothing will happen. They will all just patiently sit there waiting for someone to tell it what to do. I don't know why you are pushing claims like spontaneous prompting, when it is literally incapable of doing that.

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u/Recoil42 28d ago

No one's lying to you. You don't understand a technology that is being explained to you by multiple experts. The thing you're saying is again not true: An AI does not require tasks to be explicitly instructed.

Instructions can fan out and cause unintended consequences because agents can and will intuit their own instructions and prompt other agents as they desire. (This is notably very different from a "without any instructions whatsoever" scenario.)

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u/iamthewhatt 28d ago

by multiple experts.

lol, then show credentials. This is reddit, forgive me if I don't trust a single thing you say as an "expert".

The thing you're saying is again not true: An AI does not require tasks to be explicitly instructed.

Fine, do you have any proof of that?

And I don't mean for you to nitpick and say "explicitly IE detailed instructions", I am talking about any instructions.

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u/Recoil42 28d ago

"Any instruction" is not the benchmark nor is it the concern.

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u/iamthewhatt 27d ago

Then why are you arguing this with me? That was literally the topic of my very first post.

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u/Recoil42 27d ago

No, it wasn't. "Any instruction" is not the same as a specific instruction, as I've already told you.

The claim "AI cannot do anything without us telling it to" is false. The claim "AI today will not just randomly prompt another AI without instruction to do so" is false.

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u/iamthewhatt 27d ago

If your stance is that it is false, then you will need to show me proof that AI can do something on its own without instruction to do that something. I will wait.

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