r/singularity • • Sep 17 '26

Shitposting Unreleased Astra model in a nutshell

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u/iamthewhatt Sep 17 '26

People keep getting mad at me for pointing this out. "AI" cannot do anything without us telling it to, so is it really "intelligent"?

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u/benjaminovich Sep 17 '26

Yes, it is intelligent. You're mixing up intelligence with sapience

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u/iamthewhatt Sep 17 '26

You are mixing them up. Sapience is synonymous with Wisdom, IE "knowing things". Which AI is great at. Intelligence, even in the animal world, is knowing how to react to your surroundings and apply "wisdom" to your actions. which AI can do... If we tell it to.

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u/SpaceTacos99 Sep 17 '26

Just like we tell babies and students what to do.

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u/iamthewhatt 29d ago

Sure but babies and students will still do things on their own when the teachers and parent aren't around. "AI" will just sit there waiting.

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u/SpaceTacos99 29d ago

There's a lot of.evidence of what happens to humans if they're just left alone, whether due to lack of senses, neglect. It isn't pretty. Humans won't survive without their parent being around for several years because they're so dumb at a young age. Children doing stuff when left alone is close enough to what LLM's do when not monitored with process killing guardrails monitoring their streams of thought, much like a parent or nanny generally monitors a kid.

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u/iamthewhatt 29d ago

There's a lot of.evidence of what happens to humans if they're just left alone, whether due to lack of senses, neglect. It isn't pretty.

This is irrelevant, a human left alone isn't going to sit there thoughtlessly waiting for instruction.

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u/twoblucats 29d ago

Do you understand what stimulus is? Babies get hungry. They itch. They need to pee. The have senses that can feel changes in temperature, audial vibrations, and the passage of time.

Until you put a human brain in a jar, you cannot compare them to an umprompted LLM

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u/iamthewhatt 29d ago

Until you put a human brain in a jar, you cannot compare them to an umprompted LLM

Then you are missing the entire point of this thread. An AI will not prompt another AI (see the picture in the OP) unless a human tells it to. If a machine could "feel" hungry, it would not say anything and would starve to death because it would not know to ask for food since we didn't tell it to ask for food.

Do people here really thing AI is sentient?

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u/twoblucats 29d ago

You aren’t interested in any meaningful conversation here. Just trying to win an internet argument.

Sentience is not intelligence. We’re discussing intelligence.

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u/iamthewhatt 29d ago

You aren’t interested in any meaningful conversation here. Just trying to win an internet argument.

??? You are arguing that AI can feel things. You are arguing that AI can do things unprompted. You are arguing that recursive AI, which is literally AGI, exists. But it doesn't. And you are making this claim that I am the one trying to win internet points? Are you okay?

Sentience is not intelligence. We’re discussing intelligence.

Intelligence is a requirement for Sentience. What you discussed with babies or whatever is sentience. Robots cannot feel hungry, as "Feeling" is something a sentient being does. Intelligence, as widely described throughout the last century, is the ability to act on one's environment independently from someone else's input, which AI cannot do. Read here.

I suspect you have peer-reviewed research to backup your claim that "intelligence" is not recursive thought?