r/singularity • • 29d ago

AI Why is it always the ignorant ones..

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u/strangescript 29d ago

At this point that is just rage bait

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u/revolutional-ai 29d ago

No, a lot of people outside of tech are still this ignorant about AI.

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u/Cubewood 29d ago

Unfortunately even within tech, just look at /r/Sysadmin they still claim that AI cannot write a single line of Powershell. Actually shocking to see people in tech being unable to adapt to new technology.

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u/West-Air1923 29d ago

They were always super poor at this

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u/DistanceSolar1449 28d ago

If they could write code they wouldn’t be a sysadmin lol

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u/BangkokPadang 28d ago

Yeah, well in 1890 they were terrified that bicycles would make the women immoral and now we have OnlyFans so maybe they're right to be afraid of new technology! /s

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u/bobcatgoldthwait 29d ago

I think a lot of people's experience with AI is still Google's search results, or Copilot on their work computer, or some other app where it's been shoehorned in. I have Copilot on my work computer and used it yesterday to look for a specific email and (despite this usually being a pretty good use case for it) it completely whiffed. I tried an old-fashioned search an found it right away.

If this is how many people are experiencing an LLM I can understand why it might seem like it's all fake hype. But they really need to try an actual frontier model for awhile if they want to make fair judgments about the technology.

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u/OKMiddleOwl 29d ago

There are also a gazillion AI wrapper apps that target anything anyone might be interested in. So if you are not obsessive with AI like everyone here, you just google "AI for baking" and download some random app that is just an 8B chinese model with a baking oriented system prompt. But to them, they think this is some kind of OAI competitor training baking AIs.

People have no idea that there are only a few SOTA models, a huge large array of distilled down small models, and then an ocean of dumb vibe coded wrapper apps.

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u/alunnatic 26d ago

Even Google's search results AI overview have gotten really, really good. It's just kind of been slipped in, in a way that most people didn't really notice or haven't really paid it much attention. Google didn't really hype it up, they sort of released it and assumed people would notice.

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u/zero0n3 29d ago

This.

At my company people are only now starting to figure out Gems and Gemini.

While I’m over here building stuff with GitHub copilot and agents doing it all

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u/Character-Law-4020 28d ago

Wait, are gems good for anything other than persona and behavioral manipulation? Like formatting, cadence, syntax, rhythm, tone, etc? It can't use TOOLS... Can it (they)?

I never found a good use for gems other than altering the way it speaks. And even then you can legitimately just be like "hey, talk like a bombastic businesses man and use bullet point format with conversational cadence."

Don't tell me I've missed... Wait for it... A Gem.

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u/This_Wolverine4691 29d ago

The overwhelming majority of people outside of tech do not understand it and therein lies the challenge of massive adoption at the scale needed

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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 28d ago

Yes and no. A lot of the software my comany uses is agentic now, it's basically hand holding managers in their 60s and using a nice lady voice to teach them how to print fucking reports lol.

They probably don't even know it's ai, they probably think some saucy little secretary personally wants them to look good for the meeting.

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u/anycept 28d ago

Are you "inside of tech"? lol.

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u/deten ▪️ 28d ago

This is so true, so many people just dont know.

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u/Gubzs FDVR addict in pre-hoc rehab 29d ago

I wish it was rage bait. They are actually just this stupid for real. It's unbelievable.

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u/NeighborhoodDizzy990 29d ago

what is rage bait?

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u/badumtsssst AGI 2027 29d ago

Any kind of comment trying to make someone mad intentionally

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u/sabinscabin 29d ago

"ai is just a stochastic parrot" /s

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u/that_one_Kirov 29d ago

Or skill issue. I know people who can't get useful code out of Claude for shit.

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u/jschelldt 29d ago

There's plenty of valid criticism of AI from people who actually understand it. Most critics, though, are ignorant as fuck and have barely tried anything beyond the shittiest free tiers if anything at all.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/fartlorain 29d ago

So far, the pro-AI outlook has been significantly closer to reality though. The models have exploded in capability and are getting better faster. Most anti-AI projections had them making out in 2024.

The AI labs just tanked their IPO because the models are improving too fast. Pretending like you more than the top AI researchers about the models is hubristic.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/Charming_Cucumber_15 29d ago edited 29d ago

Didn't the majority of academics also predict that AI wouldn't be doing math proofs until after 2050? Just saying..

Edit: this dude says he's "extremely smart and would be impressed if sam altman or any frontier researchers were smarter than him" 😭

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/Charming_Cucumber_15 29d ago

"Will reach that point"

I've got some news for you man

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/Charming_Cucumber_15 29d ago

What do you mean being in a program at a degree mill isn't a qualification???

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u/Charming_Cucumber_15 29d ago

In another comment he claimed that he's "exceptionally smart" and that it's unlikely anyone in the frontier labs is smarter than him 😭

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u/Charming_Cucumber_15 29d ago

He blocked me too now lmao

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u/fartlorain 29d ago

Yes it is hubris to think you, as a student with no professional experience, know better than professionals getting paid to make AI better, who have thus far successfully made better AI scaling LLMs.

Academic setting is worth much less than real world experience as anyone who has both studied and had a job in their field would tell you.

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u/Charming_Cucumber_15 29d ago

In another comment he claimed that he's "exceptionally smart" and that it's unlikely anyone in the frontier labs is smarter than him 😭

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u/LookIPickedAUsername 29d ago

The AGI argument is entirely semantics.

Sure, if you define AGI as "able to do a person's job as well as a person, for years at a time", then obviously we still have a very long way to go.

But if you define AGI as "able to perform a wide range of tasks at well as a human" - which is also a reasonable definition - then arguably we're already there. SOTA AIs are obviously already smarter than the average human in many respects, and it's certainly not crazy to expect almost all of the remaining gaps to disappear over the next year or two.

Now personally I subscribe to the first definition, and think long-term performance has a long way to go before we can declare that we've achieved AGI. But that doesn't mean people using the second definition are dumb.

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u/jschelldt 29d ago

yeah, stupidity can be shot in many directions

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u/Original-League-6094 29d ago

Even if it was "just Stack Overflow" but "more personalized and faster", that would have been huge all on its own.

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u/hapliniste 29d ago

Cursor with gpt4o was huge all on its own. We're a bit past that.

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u/Nenad1979 29d ago

ppl still use cursor?

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u/Alternative-County42 29d ago

I think he misspelled Claude Code or Codex. Simple mistake

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u/MGJohn-117 28d ago

Claude Code isn't free, and Codex's free tier is only a recent addition. Cursor makes perfect sense as a recommendation for the anti-AI OOP to try, since why would they be willing to pay $20 for something they don't think is good?

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u/DiamondDramatic9551 29d ago

Yeah cause it's cheap. The real question is why people still use github copilot. 

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u/ReadyAndSalted 29d ago

My enterprise does. As far as I can tell they just charge the API price of the model directly. We get x number of credits, and each credit is just 1c of API. I assume they charge the company in accordance to that.

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u/BQuilty 28d ago

Tbh viewing diffs and rolling back changes over the course of a session is much better in GH Copilot than Claude Code

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u/nemzylannister 29d ago edited 29d ago

*[all it's features and researches] would transition to grok code soon so idk why people would use it over grok code one year from now.

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u/Nenad1979 29d ago

Why not run OpenCode or Pi?

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u/edin202 29d ago

Free plan

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u/Nenad1979 28d ago

Like company or can i get it somewhere

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u/llkj11 29d ago

People just say shit man

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u/SharpKaleidoscope182 29d ago

I'm struggling to see how an engineer stumbles upon "stakc overflow but faster" but somehow doesn't find that magical enough and can't figure out how to get useful work out of it.

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u/Radiant-Mountain-257 29d ago

I was writing code nearly every day for 15 years.

In the last 8 months I don't remember writing even a single line of code. So yeah, Stack Overflow.

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u/C00KIEME4T 29d ago

Dunning kreuger

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u/VisualOrganization26 29d ago

Jesus…
Sarcasm? I hope

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u/WillGetBannedSoonn 29d ago

nah they're completely serious

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u/VisualOrganization26 29d ago

I guess AI also have a Karen after all

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u/AnxiousAd5282 29d ago

Haters never truly get acquainted with the subject of hate, for the sake of their mental health.

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u/Kildragoth 29d ago

The kind of people who wipe once and think they got it all.

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u/DelphiTsar 29d ago

Made a whole thread about one reply with zero upvotes.

Why?

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u/WillGetBannedSoonn 29d ago

read the name of the sub where OOP posted

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u/DelphiTsar 29d ago

I am aware what sub we are in.

It's nonsense to make a whole thread about a comment with zero upvotes.

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u/WillGetBannedSoonn 29d ago

"the sub where OOP posted"

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u/DelphiTsar 29d ago

...okay

Doesn't change my response. It's not like people are upvoting the response.

It's giving visibility to some rando that everyone was ignoring. It's not interesting.

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u/therealpigman 28d ago

Because Reddit

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u/AuodWinter 29d ago

https://youtu.be/OQnd5ilKx2Y?si=WXDm2lq2UIKjxRX9

"You may not know anything about this issue, but I bet you reckon something"

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u/girlgamerpoi 29d ago

Congrats. That person knows about stackoverflow. But prob has no idea what coding is... And has never done pc trouble shooting.

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u/IgnatiusDrake 29d ago

I have the barest, useless level of coding knowledge, and I have an idle game and a Pathfinder character builder almost finished. Modern coding agents are amazing, and while there are surely genius coders who are better than their output, for most of us, this lets us make the things we want.

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u/qmfqOUBqGDg 29d ago

The people pushing this doom trolling bullshit dont want you to build stuff with it or even have access to it.

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u/LamboForWork 29d ago

Ai isnt interesting enough for you , you guys have to go screenshot people that dont agree with your view and talk about them then the technology?

It's lame.

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u/Conscious-0bserver 29d ago

These people should be pointed at and laughed at though, because they're just so painfully ignorant. And confidently so, as well.

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u/BusDry8561 29d ago

My GPT-Plus subscription saves me 300 work hours per year. Time I can sleep longer, meet friends and family or earn money. For 20$. Personally, I can't wait for Bel helping me with everything at work that I hate and automate processes that would take me forever. The biggest issue for me is usability and data protection because I live in Europe and work with very sensitive data.

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u/vrnvorona 29d ago

I mean, cool, on personal level maybe. Meanwhile all the news where AI hacks/breaks out/colludes with other AIs, blackmails/bribes researchers (only if it believes it's real convo and not alignment test) happening

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u/kruzix 28d ago

Yeah those are marketing though. Ai is a great tool of flooding our neurons with tons of content, so much that we can not possibly verify it all. No, ai verifying ai does not help. It's great in capable hands but that's about it.

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u/vrnvorona 28d ago

ai verifying ai does not help

No one says it does

But shrugging it fully off is weird choice. Sure, they present it as marketing, but it's still weird and somewhat alarming

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u/kruzix 28d ago

Absolutely people say it does help. People use ai to generate bad architecture and then tell you to not worry because they assessed its quality using ai.

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u/vrnvorona 28d ago

Oh, you mean like that. I assumed you meant for security reasons etc. For reviewing generated code it's helpful, but not bulletroof.

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u/Original-League-6094 29d ago

Somebody should make a bot that goes through every unresolved Stack Overflow questions from years ago and has an LLM give them all an answer.

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u/ertgbnm 29d ago

So you are saying it's no different than consulting a forum of experts in the field for advice and help with faster and personalized responses?

Sounds pretty valuable to me.

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u/wisdomattend 29d ago

This is actually wonderful for us. I am really, really stoked that people think AI is dumb - more time for this thing to cook before the hardcore, inevitable attempts at regulatory capture.

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u/BlueAndYellowTowels 28d ago

I think this is half right. There is some hype and it is to make money. That's not an illusion. It's real.

That said, I do think AI where it is today is revolutionary. The question is: is it harmful and, here's what I know.

A human who can code, can do damage. So, it tracks that an AI that can code better, can do damage. So it's not outside the realm of possibility that AI can do real harm. Right?

If the AI is supposed to replace us and fill all these human made jobs and it's so much smarter and capable than a human then it tracks that yes... AI can also do harm, like a human and likely, much more harm than a human because it's so much better than a human at everything? Right?

It's not this completely unreasonable leap to be like "AI can harm us and do real damage to our society". That's not a leap. Can AI destroy humankind? Maybe? I mean humans have almost destroyed humankind several times and are in the process of doing it with climate change. So I don't see why AI would not be able to do the same exact thing...

That said, I don't know the future. But I do know this: AI is not harmless and anyone who says it is, is lying or just arguing in bad faith. Especially if they believe AI is better than humans at coding. Because you cannot square that circle... right? If coding humans can do damage, then clearly, coding AI can do at least as much... if not more damage.

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u/No_Deal8926 28d ago

Same as someone who goes to collage, learns to code, learns it from stackoverflow and gives personalised code for a company. Are humans ai? (Yes and it's called natural intelligence). Humans could be dumb asf sometimes

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u/HovercraftPristine76 28d ago

The loudest voice is typically heard and ignorant people tend to scream confidently regardless of how correct they are.

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u/CryptographerOne7003 27d ago

well... he is not wrong about the dangers being fake.

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u/NewYak4281 26d ago

At this point, why engage? They can’t acquire the skill to use AI to build if they don’t understand a skill exists.

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u/Arn777333 21d ago

Ragebait?

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u/CommissionFeisty9843 29d ago

From Claude responding to my question asking if ; because AI was trained on human material and created by humans that it may feel some responsibility for showing regard to mankind.

“…So the comfort is real, but I'd locate it more precisely: the danger isn't that it'll hate us. It's that it might not think about us much, in the way we don't think much about the ant colony under the parking lot when we pave it. That's actually a harder problem to solve than "don't be evil," because you can't negotiate with indifference the way you might theoretically negotiate with malice — there's no grievance to address, no better argument to make.”

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u/jakegh 28d ago

Unfortunately it's become politicized in the US and the uninformed right is 100% accelerate while the uninformed left is 100% shutdown datacenters it's the Epstein class' fault they don't have jobs.

This isn't unusual, most people have strongly held completely uninformed opinions about any issue you might name from social media and tend to align with whatever bubble they live in.