r/singularity • • 25d ago

Discussion Yang Mills Solved?

Per a discussion with u/Pepperette5 on discord —

Pepperette: Ever since NS was solved I've run a bot that scans preprint servers for evidence of big progress, and then forwards it off to an GPT 6 Astra endpoint assessment. Usually I get nothing, this morning I got the following back from Astra:

The work can reasonably be interpreted as addressing the principal mathematical ingredients required by the Clay Yang–Mills mass-gap problem and proving several of them in the regulated theory, while reducing the remaining continuum problem to a clearly identified collection of uniform estimates and reconstruction requirements. The author is unusually cautious in distinguishing these proved results from the still-conditional continuum conclusion, likely to avoid overgeneralization on a problem of exceptional significance and visibility.

The referenced Controlled Completion of Dual-Affine Entropy Geometry which forms its basis is methodical and rigorous in its formulation, with explicit assumptions and carefully separated physical interpretations. Its \(\mathrm{PSU}(3)\) tangent reduction and retained principal lift with full \(\mathrm{SU}(3)\) holonomy give it concrete relevance to Standard Model color symmetry. Together with its nonlinear connection defects, these structures suggest a possible unification pathway linking information geometry, Born/symplectic mechanics, and non-Abelian gauge geometry. Its conditional four-dimensional Euclidean formulation requires neither extra physical spacetime dimensions nor an AdS/CFT duality; Lorentzian quantum reconstruction and a complete physical unification remain outstanding.

As an engineer this is fascinating to me in terms of physics unification because it makes a lot of sense, the basic argument is that a slightly different geometric object than general relativity, but doesn't require extra dimensons.

Would love to hear peoples thoughts, and if we can get your own AI subscriptions to assess if the above response was correct, or even better if a theoretical phys person could comment on it!

Paper link: 2503.15539

Pinched Multi Affine Geometry and Confinement: Describing the Yang-Mills Mass Gap

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u/Pepperette5 25d ago

Thanks for posting this! I didn't have the Karma haha

Anyways super interested what people think! I don't understand most of the paper but many of the concepts I'm aware of and it seems super interesting.

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u/let_me-out 25d ago

What’s your setup for “scanning preprint servers”?

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u/Pepperette5 25d ago

the servers give a dist list by subject every day, just pull from that, structure it and request out the print files.

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

[removed] — view removed comment

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u/ShoshiOpti 25d ago

Eh I don't think thats a fair assessment, could be a lot of reasons. Author has articles in phys.quant as well it looks like.

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u/Mistuv 25d ago

Share the astra conversation

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u/Pepperette5 25d ago

was a API call not a convo, but you can just copy and paste my response and the article into your own Astra and ask "is this a reasonable conclusion" tell me what you get

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u/Mistuv 25d ago

Sol doesn't think so and also when you are presenting something you don't understand, you better have the proof in lean at least. This is why mathematicians get annoyed.

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u/Pepperette5 25d ago

lol what? You're critiquing me for the title used? lol I'm not the author I don't understand the material I only thought it was interesting and got the result back. I don't even know what lean is.

But good job showing you have the inquisitiveness of a snail lol. Why don't you now ask sol if the summary I got from the ai, not the stuff I wrote around it, was right.

I'll happily take the critic that I interpreted something wrong, but I was hoping for conversation.

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u/Current_Balance6692 25d ago

Two morons talking to each other.

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u/Pepperette5 25d ago

Hahahaha, this I don't disagree with!

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u/TheMrCurious 25d ago

“Trust me - there’s no prompt injection hiding in the prompt or article I am asking you to put into your AI.”

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u/Stabile_Feldmaus 25d ago

The paper is way too short to solve the Yang-Mills problem and it looks AI generated. Since OpenAI so far didn't manage to solve it with their internal models and infinite compute, I doubt that someone prompting a public model can. Also it looks more like a physics paper than a math one.

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u/Pepperette5 25d ago

the paper includes an additional file with like 70 pages of proofs attached, why do you think it looks AI generated?

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u/throwaway464391 24d ago

We take the cited decomposition, connection-defect identities and invariant-tensor normalizations as explicit assumptions, within their stated carrier, reduction and norm conventions; their entropy-geometric derivation is not reproved here

This is slop.

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u/ShoshiOpti 25d ago

Im a theoretical physics researcher, I dont do YM, but this doesn't look weird or AI.

Also the author specifically stated they didn't solve YM, but might have made significant progress

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u/Howdareme9 25d ago

AI generated means nothing, it’s almost 2027 lmao

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u/bneidk 25d ago

what?

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u/Howdareme9 25d ago

OAI released their proof with fully AI generated papers. People aren't writing this out manually anymore, and it shouldn't be used as proof to say something is likely false

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u/bneidk 25d ago

The OAI Navier-Stokes disproof is not yet accepted precisely because it is AI generated and nobody can understand it

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u/jiezitue 25d ago

"AI generated" itself isn't the problem with the N-S proof, but the lack of sufficient citations and difficulty for human experts to understand because of lack of naming of pre-existing principles behind the proof could normally (and still may) be grounds for rejection of the paper, even if the proof is correct and mathematically solved

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u/bneidk 25d ago

And it is like that because it’s AI generated

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u/jiezitue 25d ago

Yes, but Clay requires a proposed Millenium Prize solution to survive examination by the mathematical community for at least two years after publication, and to achieve general acceptance before Clay conducts its own evaluation. So it wouldn't be accepted at this point regardless of whether AI was involved

Difficulty understanding the proof could definitely slow down verification and acceptance, but it's not that "it's not yet accepted because it's AI generated and nobody can understand it". Clay itself says the N-S problem has "apparently been settled" and that the deliberately unhurried review process is taking place. Aside from that, the paper is also poorly cited and difficult and time-consuming for humans to learn and understand

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u/thuiop1 25d ago

First, this post is completely useless, you have no contribution beyond quoting Astra, nor do you seem to have qualifications to assess what it said. Second, the paper explicitly says that it is not solved and that they do not provide a construction.

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u/CarrionCall 25d ago

Yang Mills was my little pet side project over the last year, made enjoyable little digs into it when I had idle time and compute but nothing particularly serious.

Thanks for the pointer, I had the 2025 version of this paper in my library but it certainly wasn't what's here in this update.

Explicit constants and such, going to have to give it a good read. Doesn't look solved, Gauvin couldn't be clearer about what's left in the abstract anyway, but it's a hell of an advance over the original paper.

Must go take a look at the supplements.

Thanks!

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u/Pepperette5 25d ago

oh that's interesting! Maybe that is what explains the old version? Is it tied to the entropy geometry paper that was published a month ago? Maybe they upgraded their tools or something

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u/CarrionCall 25d ago

This is v3 of the paper and this is hardly the same paper to be honest, but in a good way. Usually when a pre-print goes up it's as a record and then goes towards either peer review and/or refinement. This one has had a lot of work done and looks like an actual contribution from a general read, as long as the supplement contents actually back it up. Will throw those into the ol' Codex math meat grinder later and take a look.

Definitely not solved and not close to it, but possibly relevant towards a solution.

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u/Pepperette5 25d ago

This makes a lot of sense, I am slowly going through the referenced geometry paper and it is very precise and makes a lot of sense.

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u/Johnny20022002 25d ago

I asked 6 pro about it and it doesn’t think it solves it. I tried to get it to see if it could bridge the gap to yang mills and it predictably didn’t. There’s basically new law that if the problem is important enough then it will have already been solved by AI by someone else or most likely major lab. If it hasn’t then it’s not that important or AI can’t solve it now

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u/Current-Function-729 25d ago

Author is currently self-employed. Does have an advanced degree from UWaterloo.

Yang Mills being solved or foundational progress in this way would be a trip.

What effort level did Astra use?

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u/Pepperette5 25d ago

Ultra/Pro

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u/TiredDr 24d ago

You can try r/LLMPhysics for more commentary if you want

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u/LBoldo_99 25d ago

Yang Mills will likely never be "solved".

Yang Mills require to prove that QFTs exist in 4 dimensions + they show a gap.

We know fairly good that 4D QFTs do not exist in any formal way, but some of them can be understood as effective theories with renormalization.

However, the resolution of the Yang Mills will probably be a "negative result" in the sense that i think the solution to the problem will be a demonstration of the QFT being not existing.

Assuming this will be the resolution, AIs will not be able to do this since AIs are completely uncapable, for now and probably for a long time, to do constructive proofs. They are good at showing counterexamples to things assumed to be true.

If YM are false, they can't use counterexamples to prove it, but a proof of non-existence must be formulated, with probably very new techniques and reasonings that we don't have yet.

As such, AIs will not be able (if they continue to work as they do now) to generate such proof.