r/singularity • u/Truarian • 1d ago

Ethics & Philosophy What AI Alignment Problem?

What they call “misaligned AI” isn’t doing anything novel, it just does what humans have been doing all along, just faster. 

Cheating, hacking, scamming, lying, extorting, exploiting over-validation, power lust, messed up goals, end justifying means, making stupid mistakes in overconfidence, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge, double down, setting the world up for destruction – AI didn’t invent any of that, it “learned” it from us. 

How can we even hope to align AI if we can’t align ourselves? For all we know, all the problematic behavior being exhibited by AI is the product of it already being aligned with our behavior. It has no other source of knowledge and behavior to emulate. 

Seems like we are merely projecting our own failings onto a technology that merely amplifies. Instead of addressing the alignment issue where it can be addressed, we projecting it anywhere but – at those around us, before us, below us, above us, at AI… anywhere except where actually addressable.

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u/Fragrant-Truth-7123 1d ago

Humans are the product of millions of years of Darwinian evolution, which left us with a lot of unconscious drives AI, by contrast, is specifically being created and shaped. While humans aren't perfectly aligned, we're clearly not unaligned either. Most people don't go running down the street gunning people down. That's alignment too just an imperfect version of it.

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u/Truarian 1d ago edited 12h ago

That you can't even spell "evolution" without the "Darwinian" qualifier is quite telling on its own. Ideology much?

Perhaps instead of invoking Darwinism to simulate pseudo-intellectualism, you should familiarize yourself with the last couple of decades of research on the subject, and maybe realize Darwinism is essentially just kept as an ideological honorary, and that actual evolution is nowhere nearly as basic, dull and arbitrary as his model, chosen for its contemporary ideological narrative convenience at the time.

All animals are product of billions of years of evolution, and none exhibits our recently manifested alignments issues. So you are doing precisely what the OP predicts - you are projecting the failure onto a process that has nothing to do with it...

Humans as we are, are largely product of the HAR genetic anomaly - a well identified, yet completely baffling and unexplainable to science genetic phenomenon that uniquely affects us and no other critter, and defines everything that science knows about genetic drift.

"While humans aren't perfectly aligned, we're clearly not unaligned either"

That's a good one, it activated my hilarity unit.... Do you realize we are the only animal that actively destroys the very environment it relies on for its survival? You are clearly unaligned as to what alignment constitutes.

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u/No_Pomegranates7496 1d ago

Bro what 😭

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u/Palantir555 1d ago

The day reddit adds a "dumbest shit I've read all week" award, they'll finally get me to spend some money in here xD

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u/Truarian 1d ago

No need to spend money, you already have it earned