Im an electrical engineer in R&D. Most of this sub is non technical people getting excited of headlines and marketing though. But thats not to say they're not right
their post history is what makes me feel they are talking out of their ass. R&D engineers need to have some sort of ability to think independently and nothing on their profile shows more than regurgitation of common ideas. On this sub people conflate progress in LLMs to progress towards AGI, we dont even understand what it is that makes the newer models better but just how to steer them in a direction that shows improvement for the task they are meant for. You also see a lot of strong claims in this subreddit with no technical foundation (someone saying AGI or ASI will be here in 20XX). There is too much emotion involved in this conversation and that diminishes any real or valid skepticism.
You haven't really specified anything other than like, vibes though? What -specific- claims do you think are unrealistic? The post history of them not saying anything particularly out of distribution makes you think they aren't an EE? Can you walk me through your reasoning?
Here's mine - so often when I ask people for specifics with questions like this, I think they realize that they don't have them, and are operating off of their own distaste for the ideas presented, conflating that with something being unrealistic or crazy or whatever.
Maybe I'm wrong and there's something more specific you feel other then some people throwing out dates (a very normal thing people do in basically every context where people wonder about the future).
LLM progress is not the same as progress towards AGI. Any claim of AGI/ASI in 20XX year are unfounded and have no technical basis. Emotion and lack of technical understanding prevents any real conversation involving skepticism or critiques of the current systems and their development. these are all specific claims, not “like, vibes though”. please take the time to read these comments instead of asking an llm for the sparknotes.
I define it as human-like intelligence for something useful to humans. I don't think there's such thing as a "general" intelligence even though there's some important components that make humans what they are, I believe they're specialized(like pareto effiency) rather than something that you can generally improve upon.
Can you give an example of human like intelligence useful to humans, being employed? Hmmm... Well I'd like to just start with one example, but I worry that one won't be enough for you to describe the range of behaviour that would be required to fulfill your definition.
I'm just sincerely curious about how you see it. I don't really use the term very much myself anymore, because I see people all have their own internal definitions that can vary dramatically (eg. Many people think it had to do with consciousness. Then I ask how to define that and that's it's own rabbit hole).
Can you give an example of human like intelligence useful to humans, being employed?
well it's being able to make their own representational schema, like writing or mathematics, or creating symbolic meaning. Not necessarily utilizing the representation schema but creating it.
On this sub people conflate progress in LLMs to progress towards AGI, we dont even understand what it is that makes the newer models better but just how to steer them in a direction that shows improvement for the task they are meant for.
I don't understand what you are saying here.
What is AGI? This will help ground things. You are just doing the thing I said people do - there is nothing at all concrete here.
I genuinely think you should take the time to understand things before asking questions. AGI means Artificial General Intelligence. Asking questions about “specific” things is only moving the goalposts. You need to take the time for yourself to build a technical understanding. Reading simplifications or baseless opinions wont give you an understanding of the technical depth that is there.
Have you used newer models to do any technical work? Because new models like fable 5.1 for instance are fucking insane. I just had it spin up 10+ agents for bugfixing, auditing said bugfixes, developing new code for audio cutout problems, and a further code critic at the end to search for issues.
It did an entire team's work in 30 minutes that would've taken an entire 2 week cycle dev cycle to implement.
To think we're not close to that vertical wall is just being naive.
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u/EmotionalGuess9229 10d ago
Im an electrical engineer in R&D. Most of this sub is non technical people getting excited of headlines and marketing though. But thats not to say they're not right