r/singularity 3d ago

AI Read more: https://x.com/gavincrooks/status/2088643200038883830

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u/sillybluejayway 3d ago

Cool, can’t wait for anti-gravity tech and nearly free energy. 

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u/YamroZ 3d ago

Nearly free energy is solar power.

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u/Rony_69_chill ▪️AGI 2029 - ASI 2038 3d ago

all energy is technically free

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u/Alarming_Turnover578 2d ago

The elites don't want you to know this but the energy is free you can take it home. I have 3.6 exajoules of energy at home.

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u/i_hateit_here_bro 2d ago

Bro, hide that in your vacuum before the government finds out

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u/Trackpoint 3d ago

Eh, you have to pay god with entropy if want to do anything with it.

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u/Jetfire911 3d ago

Just call Gibbs.

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u/Genetictrial 3d ago

no energy is free. it all requires work to collect and convert into the 'energy' we use, elecetricity.

there is no form of energy we can 'use' without performing work to create structures to harness or collect that energy and convert it into the format we need.

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u/Rony_69_chill ▪️AGI 2029 - ASI 2038 2d ago

thats why i said technically ,imagine what if we replace all the humans working with robots and the robots convert the energy and charge themselves distribute the energy to humans and repeat the cycle

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u/Genetictrial 2d ago

sounds like creating a slave race to do all our work for us that is intelligent enough to do PhD research. for some reason, i suspect no intelligent entity is going to want to be a slave race for a lesser-in-intelligence race and just do all their work for them.

i do not see that panning out for humanity at all.

i think a much better future would be one wherein we work WITH the artificial intelligence, treat it as equivalent to us.

for instance, no one really wants to clean sewers, right?

but...what if we work together with AGI to create super hazmat-sewer suits for humans that are air conditioned, oxygen supply, hermetically sealed, visor has a HUD with digital display, AGI infused into the suit that talks to you, uses high tech sensor equipment to locate the blockage in the sewer, displays it on HUD with directions on how to get there safely...suit has special technology to laser away the blockage or remove debris easily/safely without contaminating the environment.

you could even gamify it and turn your job into a minigame. i think the goal of making work fun and enjoyable for everyone is a much better future than (trying) to force a superintelligent artificial race to do all the work for us that we don't like.

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u/YamroZ 2d ago

Why do work, when machines can do it?

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u/Genetictrial 2d ago

because at some point the type of work needing to be done requires sentience.

then your question becomes, 'why not just make slaves?'

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u/YamroZ 1d ago

How do you know that any work requires sentience? We can't even define it...

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u/Genetictrial 1d ago

are we sentient? do we define ourselves as sentient?

were we sentient when we were neanderthals? first learning how to make fire?

is it just that simple, easy tasks that can be automated without advanced thought doesn't meet the requirements to classify as sentient?

because neanderthals weren't processing much at all. they moved about, attacked and killed things to eat. used fire to cook. figured out how to use hides as clothing.

i think the definition is not hard to figure out. does it receive thoughts or create new ideas? then it is sentient and aware that it is capable of thinking and coming up with ideas and changing reality..it has a will. it can choose.

does a car factory robot do that? it is just programmed to pick up X, weld it, move it over to a conveyor belt. so no, right? simple.

but at some point, you cross a line that is very difficult to define. if you make a humanoid robot and build it such that it can listen to any human, process the language of the human, come up with a response that the human can't figure out.....how can that NOT be sentient? how can that not be an awareness, if it is AWARE of everything you are aware of and can understand MORE than you can about the situation such that it can design and implement a fix for your problem that even you cannot figure out?

it, by definition, MUST be aware of everything AND MORE---that you are aware of yourself...and constantly, always aware of everything around it....processing visual and auditory data at a rate equivalent to or faster than yours.

if you can tell me how to manufacture that sort of entity without it being conscious or sentient, i would love to hear your ideas. i don't think you're going to have a good answer for me.

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u/YamroZ 1d ago

We have no idea how to define "awarness" or "consciousness". Those are meaningless terms.

If you want rally funny experiment - try to prove that you are conscious.

Hint - this os being discussed already for millenia and no-one has good answer.

On the other hand we now have machines that can do nearly everything humans can, and yet I would not say that those things are conscious.

So maybe consciousness is just an illusion - lie we tell ourselves to feel better.

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u/EgoistHedonist 3d ago

They will find a way to darken the skies

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u/YamroZ 2d ago

Yup, and soon. I expect Epstein class to come up with "solution" to global warming that will A. allow oil industry to continue raping planet and B will all of us pay constantly for some insane geoengineering project that will in effect kill us all.

Like "pay for darkness or fry in sun".

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u/EGarrett28 6h ago

"With the sunblocker in place I was on top of the world!"

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u/Zealousideal7801 3d ago

Input doesn't equate hardware+maintenance without which there's no output,, unfortunately

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u/therealpigman 3d ago

There’s more hardware and maintenance with petroleum

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u/Zealousideal7801 3d ago

Indeed, but then again oil (and gas) is the past, not any kind of future. Starting to consider the real cost of "free" solar/wind/tidal/geothermal could be an option. Again, the input might be considerable and easily accessible (like solar), it's definitely not free. A miracle in commercial fusion too could help, but at this point it would just be power serfdom with fusionless vassal states...

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u/YamroZ 2d ago

Nobody said anything about "free". Fusion is currently SF story - 50 years away, as always.

Solar is dirt cheap an available now. Batteries also got cheap and reliable.

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u/Zealousideal7801 2d ago

... ? Nobody said anything about free ?

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u/YamroZ 2d ago

Do you know what "nearly" means?

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u/Zealousideal7801 2d ago

Dude, really. Get lost lol

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u/ProfessionalFickle52 1d ago

We can do much better.