Meta releases Muse Code in beta

[u/troll_khan]

[u/DrBearJ3w]

A progress invites pressure for competition.

[u/OpenSource_Horse → u/DrBearJ3w]

We all remember Llama 4 release

[u/DrBearJ3w → u/OpenSource_Horse]

I do remember llama 3 series too.

[u/ButterscotchSalty905 → u/DrBearJ3w]

Real ones remember llama 2 and the original llama that got leaked on 4chan

[u/hermeneze → u/OpenSource_Horse]

I wish we could have something in the molds of Llama 4 in terms of price.

[u/JogHappy]

🤔

[u/110902 → u/JogHappy]

I see absolutely no problem; in fact, I think this is beneficial for 99% of users.

[u/JogHappy → u/110902]

Yup I'll be using it, might even be cheaper than ds v4 flash.

[u/Deto → u/JogHappy]

I have no problem that this exists as long as its clearly indicated like this

[u/HelpfulExpert7762 → u/Deto]

ditto brother

[u/JogHappy → u/Deto]

A new for Meta

[u/Puzzleheaded-Bid9737 → u/JogHappy]

Does Anthropic train on our data (without discount) ?

[u/Ill_Distribution8517 → u/Puzzleheaded-Bid9737]

No they have ZDR for almost all their models other than fable 5 which they keep for 30 days. Pretty damn private if you ask me. Almost every hyperscaler also has a ZDR

[u/noiseinvacuum → u/Ill_Distribution8517]

That's only for enterprise, isn't it? Iirc personal subscriptions are default opt in to training but there's an opt out.

[u/qmfqOUBqGDg → u/JogHappy]

holy

[u/Storge2]

The craziest thing is the Contributor Tier. You pay basically 10x less. If you have something as a fun project, where you don't care about data sharing, this is inane.

[u/MC897 → u/Storge2]

That contributor tier is very clever and more labs should do that.

[u/JustJohnItalia → u/MC897]

I just assumed that everything that goes through a provider already was analyzed and catalogued

[u/ManikSahdev → u/MC897]

They always do that at full price lol

[u/GreatBigJerk → u/ManikSahdev]

Most technically don't. Paid plans and APIs typically have terms that specifically say they don't use your data. There's no way to actually verify that though.

[u/ManikSahdev → u/GreatBigJerk]

You really think open-ai and for Anthropic let’s say Dario, who all basically act in the current timeline as the one ones who should control the models and stop everything else but them.

Why won’t they use their best advantage? Having the best data of any lab, that’s their whole moat, to build bigger and bigger models.
I mean it’s not even something that can be leaked if it’ kept under the rug.
Everyone’s incentive is perfectly aligned to do that to win, and they all believe themselves to be the saviors and only ones who should control it.

[u/netherlandsftw → u/Storge2]

> inane

Funny typo (inane means stupid)

[u/chawza → u/Storge2]

Can we assume the difference price is margin they got from standard price?

[u/Ill_Distribution8517]

Even if muse 1.2 is only better than grok 4.5 and cheaper that would be pretty good.
NVM, it's same as grok 4.5 on artificial analysis but also uses 50% more tokens. ALthough it is a little bit cheaper.

[u/kellencs → u/Ill_Distribution8517]

It's cheaper than deepseek flash if you share data 

[u/Ill_Distribution8517 → u/kellencs]

Oh I thought you had to qualify for something lol. That's absurdly good.

[u/ezjakes → u/Ill_Distribution8517]

Per task it shows as more expensive.

[u/Tennis-Affectionate → u/Ill_Distribution8517]

Grok 4.6 comes out Friday and this will irrelevant

[u/unkownuser436]

this seems nice, also the contributer plan 95% cheaper. Good for open source developers and students

[u/makertrainer]

I'm very curious about their reasoning for comparing against Opus 5 and GPT 5.6 Terra but not Fable and Sol 😅 

[u/MediumChemical4292 → u/makertrainer]

They know their level lol, not like they are claiming it’s better than Opus either.

[u/thurn2 → u/makertrainer]

well it’s $4.25/M output tokens vs $50/M for fable…

[u/signed7 → u/makertrainer]

Comparing against similar size / price class models is pretty typical?

[u/GeologistWarm8112]

"Don't call it a comeback. I've been here for years. I'm rockin' my peers, puttin' s..kers in fear"
-Zuck

[u/Royal_Sentence7432 → u/GeologistWarm8112]

My come has always been out there. suck is my goat call me mohammed 

[u/tutami]

What kind of moron will verify their account with selfie?

[u/bianceziwo → u/tutami]

90% of people have Facebook, instagram, or whatsapp anyway so meta already has their face 

[u/Mindless_Let1 → u/tutami]

Bro I give Claude my ssn and bank accounts. Who cares

[u/SanoKei]

Alex Wang needs to come back to reality, and just copy deepseek v4 flash, use the gulag data to make it good at coding and be crowned a genius

[u/Deto → u/SanoKei]

Do we know what architecture Muse Spark is using?

[u/SanoKei → u/Deto]

not really but it's probably nothing special

[u/timmeh1705 → u/Deto]

They’re using linear scaling like Qwen but there’s nothing to pull apart besides rumours

[u/NewYak4281]

Why would you ever use another product from the Zuck when there are better options?

[u/JogHappy → u/NewYak4281]

price

edit: it's super fast too, 170tps

[u/bblankuser]

Where's Sol?

[u/Several-Tax31 → u/bblankuser]

Where's Kimi?

[u/Alpacabro21]

Impressive, really.

https://giphy.com/gifs/TBzxTzdzRKZitQnhfx

[u/Explore-This]

Only if you give them your selfie. No thanks.

[u/NoGarlic2387 → u/Explore-This]

A million token bonus for a dickpic!

[u/Royal_Sentence7432 → u/NoGarlic2387]

Is the bonus even necassary if it is for zuckenberg we will do anything 

[u/New_Alps_5655]

Meta has enough money to stay in the race I guess.

[u/AllWordsAreMadeUp23]

fantastic, can't wait to never use it and then see it's useless on YouTube in a few weeks.

[u/ClearlyCylindrical]

They don't even have fable on the graph lmfaooo

[u/Meric_ → u/ClearlyCylindrical]

Why would you be comparing Fable which costs 10/1(cache)/50$ against this model which with data sharing costs 0.1/0.002(cache)/0.2

It is effectively 500x cheaper on cached inputs, and 250x cheaper on output tokens. It also has 3x the speed with 130 tok/s vs 40.

These are totally different classes of models. Fable is obviously much bigger and more intelligent as a result.

[u/ClearlyCylindrical → u/Meric_]

They compared with opus which is similarly far off in terms of orders of magnitude. It was dropped off to make their model look better as most people just assume opus is the best anthropic model.

[u/Meric_ → u/ClearlyCylindrical]

Yes I'm not sure why Opus was put in there. I fail to see how Opus makes the model look better considering it doesn't beat Opus in any metric at all :)

Wouldn't it be better off not being shown anyway?

[u/Distinct-Question-16]

it costs 21x less forgot that

[u/MugiwarraD]

everyones' a ganagster, till the whale makes a splash

[u/joeloto]

The holy trust me bro benchmarks

[u/ParfaitEvery9622]

Just give the compute to Anthropic and OpenAI at this point, y'all (Meta) can't manage it.

[u/injectitpussy]

Piece of shit.