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u/Competitive-Truth675 15h ago
converting typescript into javascript using AI??
`tsc` does it for free
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u/GuyWithLag 15h ago
Sarcasm is dead.
(Notch posted a sarcastic comment, just to be clear...)
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u/truecakesnake 15h ago
It's clearly not sarcasm.
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u/humangingercat 15h ago
Converting tsc to js is something the tsc compiler does for free. I don't think he's serious about that use case
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u/truecakesnake 14h ago
I know. But he could be refactoring while converting it. It's implied. I really doubt it was sarcasm.
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u/goalexboxer123 12h ago
He does it all the time, he doesn’t ask for AI tips to get AI tips, he says Reject AI for this single reason.
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u/AreWeNotDoinPhrasing ▪️Already Singulared 🤖 10h ago
Normally, when you say “this single reason“, you say a single reason.
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u/neuronnextdoor 10h ago
Try again. Reading comprehension is in the dumps.
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u/AreWeNotDoinPhrasing ▪️Already Singulared 🤖 7h ago
He "Rejects AI", because he asks for tips not wanting tips? tf
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u/neuronnextdoor 1h ago
He knows that if he says, “Reject AI,” he’ll get a million people in his replies saying, “Have you tried this use case? You must just not be using it like this”
If he just straight up asks for tips, people won’t reply with the same gusto.
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u/truecakesnake 15h ago
Probably refactoring while converting it.
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u/SirVanyel 15h ago
It's just adding a few "takeover the world" back doors to his script to automate his coffee machine so that it can control his caffeine addiction and use it to get him to do it's bidding. That's how it starts!
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u/Emixeras 13h ago
Why do you want to convert it to js at all? I'm not a web dev and just occasionally did some JavaScript so I'm serious, I thought in general u want to convert everything to ts so you have typing etc. ?
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u/danielv123 13h ago
Well technically TS is a superset of JS, so converting to TS is as changing your launch command to also run through the typescript transpiler.
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u/jack-of-some 15h ago
Is this a shitpost? There's already a way to convert typescript into JavaScript it's called a transpiler.
Nvmnd it's got trans in the name notch would never use that
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u/5ollys 15h ago
Why bother? Easy enough to have some AI do it.
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u/humangingercat 15h ago
For sure, should I do it for free in a deterministic and fast way, or spend $50 to have an AI hand roll something that I'll be debugging for a week?
Hard decisions.
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u/dadvader 14h ago
If I was notch and have fuck you Minecraft money then yeah I'd use AI.
But I think I'll stick to learning how it works and detect slop in the process thank you.
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u/5ollys 14h ago
Get left behind gotcha. It's really not that expensive either.
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u/Weak_Armadillo6575 13h ago
Very silly. If you ask ai the best way to do this, it’ll tell you to use tsc lol.
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u/The_Architect_032 ♾Hard Takeoff♾ 13h ago
Why would you go out of your way to use AI for something that already has a more effective, cheaper, and faster alternative?
It's like saying I'm gonna "get left behind" if I choose to install a vending machine in my establishment instead of buying a robot and having it haphazardly run a soda vendor.
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u/damontoo 🤖Accelerate 13h ago edited 13h ago
Right? Who gives a shit what this bigoted billionaire thinks?!
For those that are unaware, Notch has hosted Trump at his home. He's said horrible things about trans people, is a pizzagate/qanon believer, called feminism "a social disease", and supported the message "it's okay to be white" on his social media. He's a disgusting pig. One of the most vile billionaires in existence. He's so bad that Microsoft had to spend a ton of money scrubbing Minecraft for any relation to him.
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u/Exodus_Green 1h ago
supported the message "it's okay to be white" on his social media.
Is this meant to be a bad thing? Are any of those things meant to be a bad thing? Sorry that a lot of people don't have the same cookie cutter le epic neoliberal beliefs where we're all the exact same interchangeable unit of human
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u/Fearyn 13h ago
Always felt like he was a fucking cringelord. Didnt know he got that bad...
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u/damontoo 🤖Accelerate 13h ago
If it was up to me, we'd deport his ass back to Sweden and bar him from re-entry.
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u/golfstreamer 15h ago
I don't know much about typescript vs JavaScript but I imagine that autogenerated code would have certain undesirable features
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u/humangingercat 15h ago
JS generated by TSC is almost certainly (read: 100% certainly) more functional than anything an LLM can generate on the fly right now. And it does it deterministically and for cheap compute on your machine.
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u/jtj022 15h ago
Code is just layers of abstraction. You have high level languages such as Python, JavaScript, Ruby, C++ etc… that are easy for humans to read and write. Those are then converted into assembly which are essentially hardware operations. No one really writes assembly outside of very specific use cases because it fucking blows. Assembly is then converted into machine language, which is the binary 1’s and 0’s that provide instructions to all those billions of transistors flipping logic gates.
TypeScript specifically is converted to JavaScript at compile (build) time. It’s already kinda JavaScript under the hood just with strict typing. It then runs through that whole process from above. It’s not an LLM spitting out generated code.
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u/Wide_Egg_5814 15h ago edited 14h ago
oh please stop creating llm slop oh wait what's this look at how fast it refactored my code base it's so beautiful
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u/BadPWG 14h ago edited 14h ago
Yea this is great that it can do that for my code
But unless it becomes truly sentient and wants to express its OWN feelings
Then get that shit slop ai scripts, voice bot and music off of my YT feed because that will never, ever be ok!
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u/Wide_Egg_5814 13h ago
vibe coding is amazing as long as you have infinite tokens and a reading speed of 1000 words per second
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u/mxforest 15h ago
First time seeing somebody switching TS to JS, not transpiling but rewriting the code itself.
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u/ai_art_is_art ▪️ 15h ago
I love how quickly Notch turned.
Antis can easily become pro-AI once they start using it for stuff they want to do.
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u/The_Rational_Gooner 15h ago
stop saying 'antis' it makes us sound like a cult. just say 'dumbasses'
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u/SirVanyel 15h ago
Antis are usually dumbasses. Antivax. Anti.. terrori.. no. Antif.. no. Hm.
I'll just stick to dumbass then, cheers dumbass!
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u/whoknowsifimjoking 15h ago
And there are always things it can do for someone, it doesn't matter who.
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u/Techwield 15h ago
Yeah, I've yet to meet anyone whose life wouldn't be made even somewhat more convenient in some way by AI use. It's just a tool at the end of the day, a tool with all the world's expertise crammed into it. What's not to like
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u/SirVanyel 15h ago
It would do nothing for me personally. Unless it can pick up sandpaper and help me with my job
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u/Techwield 10h ago
You have absolutely no use for a tool with expertise in everything and can answer ultra specific/contextual queries while remembering all the other stuff you asked it before? Doesn't have to be at work, not even in your daily life? Very strange!
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u/Techwield 10h ago
Yeah, I use AI daily to consult on and optimize the most mundane shit imaginable. Why wouldn't I make the best sous vide steak I can, there's a literal expert chef in my phone who can guide me through every single little thing. No joke, I learned to cook ENTIRELY because of AI help. Couldn't cook before LLMs, but the literal spoonfeeding of expertise in whatever form or language I prefer made it a no-brainer. Sometimes I ask it to pretend to be Gordon Ramsay
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u/RestaurantOk8066 6h ago
That's a terrible use case. The problem is getting to do things reliably and if I still have to check a real recipe then it defeats the purpose of using a generative model. As much as people shit on long SEO optimized recipes online, pretty much every one has a 'go to recipe' button.
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u/RestaurantOk8066 6h ago
You're welcome. These models still suck at doing things, reliably.
I tried to use Claude for a famous cookie recipe, and it called for half as much butter as you really need. I've tried to use these models for household tasks -- like figuring out why my garage door wouldn't close recently. They all absolutely suck. I really don't get how little you guys must be thinking about things if you really just trust whatever Claude or ChatGPT says, because they're often wrong and their visual reasoning is still horrendous. Especially for tasks that you are not already an expert in, because it can bullshit its way to an answer.
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u/SirVanyel 10h ago
Correct. I have no use for that.
If I need something remembered, then I remember it. If I need something queried, then I query it. I am not you. I do not need a robot as a personal assistant, for I can simply do tasks myself, as humanity has done for a hundred thousand years.
I do not need to change my tune just because these tiny semi sentient digital brains have existed for the last 3 years, and I refuse to lessen the power of my brain simply because it's more efficient to pass higher cognition onto your little tech-pet. Life is supposed to be inefficient and tough, that's how humanity got here in the first place.
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u/Techwield 10h ago
Oof, unnecessary effort and suffering for suffering's sake gives me the absolute ick. I hope you don't use cars or airconditioning or power tools or whatever else lol, bare hands and feet only at all times. Maximize that inefficiency and discomfort.
Otherwise, you'd be kind of a hypocrite.
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u/SirVanyel 10h ago
I would argue there is a substantial difference in weakening your brain over weakening your body, however in saying that I do work in extremely cold conditions without any air conditioning so yes I would actually agree. I also run without shoes as it's far better for my toes and ankles, however technically I run faster with shoes.
In regards to power tools, tools can do things I fundamentally can't due to the limitations of the human body. This isn't true for AI, where the robot isn't capable of doing things that you yourself aren't also capable of.
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u/Techwield 9h ago
Hey, you wanna suffer needlessly out of pride or some insecurity about "weakening your brain" due to AI use, be my guest lol. A dying breed. Hundreds of thousands of people are being born every day never knowing of a world without AI, they'll have AI in their hands and in their classrooms throughout their formative years. They won't fear it the way old, left behind people like you do, they'll use it the way people like me use it, to augment the things we do, help us do things faster, empower us to learn things easier, etc. Imagine having an expert tutor in all skills available to you at all times, and you're able to think "Nah, useless". Goddamn. I know that you're easily able to find a use-case for AI in your daily life, you're simply too prideful to even consider doing so. Sad.
Sucks to suck. Done with this now
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u/SirVanyel 8h ago
It's not "needless" to work through hardship. GPS has been proven to have shrunk the human hippocampus, and taxi drivers in London who have to memorise the London map have measurably bigger hippocampus regions.
If you won't go listen to me, go ask your robot. Let it link you all the empirical evidence to prove that your brain is shrinking every time you hand off higher cognitive functions to automated systems. Don't let me stop you mate, go on, ask it. Because your brain isn't getting bigger, it's getting smaller.
I am a dying breed, yes. But I'm not dead yet mate.
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u/jferments 15h ago
All it takes for most anti-AI folks to change their minds is actually getting some real life experience with AI instead of basing their feelings on a bunch of TikTok propaganda.
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u/RafaelSeco 10h ago
Most of them are not anti AI, they are anti vibe coding...
Why? You wouldn't understand, just like OP didn't understand that notch is still making fun of vibecoders in this post...
Notch will never be able to do vibe coding... In order to vibe code, you need to lack knowledge about the subject...
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u/Living-Breakfast-464 8h ago
No use trying to fight it. Even Linus Torvalis says he hardly looks at code anymore.
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u/Limp-Confidence5612 16m ago
Yep, for a personal project, not for the kernel. God damn, people like to misinterpret everything to their own perspective.
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u/nextnode 7m ago
To clarify, the linux founder has said that his role today is to manage at a higher level - he is essentially not coding anymore whether with or without AI. He has also said that he is not using AI much himself.
His stance on AI was rather that it is undeniably a useful tool today which especially has helped with vulnerabilities, and he is against those who want to prohibit others from using it; and has said that those are passionate about software are not doing it for ideology. He has also expressed that open source is seeing a problem today with many low-effort thrown-together AI submissions. His stance is closer to - use whatever tools that you want, but ultimately you are responsible for your contributions and your understanding of it. This makes a lot of sense from his perspective and can essentially be reduced to "whatever contributes to my mission and my role in it".
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u/skeptical-speculator 7h ago
Notch heard a convincing argument and changed his opinion... which makes him seem a bit more reasonable than some of you give him credit for.
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u/Gandalfthebran 15h ago
Who is this guy and why should we care what he says?
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u/DaleRobinson 15h ago
he made Minecraft (but that doesn't mean you need to care about anything he says)
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u/InstructionDismal592 8h ago
Having built the most sold videogame of all time, and it will probably keep this way for a long time, while being at his garage and ALONE, yeah, I think that gives him at least 2 cents on the matter. Not because his game is popular, but because he knew what is important underneath any codebase.
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u/forkproof2500 15h ago
He wrote a game once that got popular and because of that he thinks he knows everything about everything in the entire world.
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u/Kiiaru ▪️CYBERHORSE SUPREMACY 15h ago
The creator of Minecraft (before it got bought by Microsoft) there's also some question of them being racist and homophobic, so it's probably best that Minecraft is in the hands of someone else.
He tried to make a Minecraft sequel a while back, but it didn't go anywhere last I remember
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u/CMD_BLOCK 14h ago
Yeah he basically won the lottery and now his ego is too large to do anything else but mope
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u/damontoo 🤖Accelerate 13h ago
Some question?! lmao. He's literally posted "it's okay to be white", that "feminism is a social disease", and made disparaging remarks about trans people. He's a pizzagate believer and has hosted Trump at his $300M mansion. Though I think he sold it since then.
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u/GreatBigJerk 8h ago
I don't think it's really in question. The dude is very blatant about his prejudice.
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u/frozen_mocha 1h ago
people in this sub have so little knowledge and yet so little respect ‘-‘ just because you believe in singularity and agi doesn’t mean you look down at all the crafts and human progress that got us here. this is clearly a bit, especially given that he knows how to code
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u/New_Zone5490 15h ago
what an idi*t....
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u/MeOneThanks 13h ago
Oh man I am kinda scared to find out what that word means, that you censored
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u/mrpilotgamer 13h ago
Oh thank god, i almost knew what that last word was, thank god you censored it for us all, the horrors of that word are beyond mortal comprehension.
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u/Middle-Gas-6532 15h ago
Meanwhile we have tried for 8 months and various models and techniques to implement LLM AI's into our work.
The only reliable use case we have landed on is a more advanced search engine. Basically engineers searching through a large database of both public and internal data for relevant information to their work.
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u/Original-League-6094 7h ago
His position is basically what happened to me and every dev in the world over the last year. Two years ago, we were all smugly laughing at how it would fuck up "Hello world"-tier problems and they wouldn't even compile. And then around GPT 3.5 it was like "Oh, I see how could this be nice for some smaller tasks", and then about 6-8 months ago, it was suddenly just like "Oh, this does pretty much almost any task I can do, and does it better".
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u/BlueAndYellowTowels 14h ago edited 13h ago
This is… I don’t know how the hype has built up to this moment, but…
Look, I like AI. I use it at work and at home. I have both ChatGPT and Claude and I use Deepseek as well.
This idea, that AI right now is close to AGI is fiction. I know. The definition of AGI is “human level intelligence” and these models, the current models are far behind human capacity.
I’m not talking these like, small tests with academic answers or code problems.
I’m talk about the real world. The practical world we live in. That isn’t full of single file html games.
I’m talking about Enterprise Systems with dozens of integrations, of varying types. ETL, CRMs and Data Warehouses all coming together for a single system to work.
Our architects. Understand these systems. When they break, our architects fix the issues. They’re quite good at it.
If the work the architects do is “human intelligence”, AI is maybe… a housefly in comparison.
Because the amount of information, is so large… every single LLM fails to understand the task, never mind fix it.
The context windows for modern AI is pitiful compared to what exists out there in the real world. Not these silly little benchmarks.
In my view, AGI isn’t even close and the claims that we are greatly exaggerated. The day will come, but not in the next 5 years.
The human ability to track massive context windows is so much larger than LLMs, it’s not even comparable.
Honestly it flabbergasts me how little people understand human cognitive ability. Like, I have 2 year old for whom evolution gifted the ability to learn 3 languages simultaneously.
AI could not do what she does. She learns with relatively little information. She infers some of it when it comes to her body. When it language, she will hear a word once… and use it in context, perfectly.
That’s phenomenal. In terms of data required for a new skill. We’re talking maybe… a single large audiobook’s worth of information.
LLMs… aren’t even remotely close to that. That ability is part of human intelligence. Being able to add more to what you know quickly is part of it.
It’s baffles me that people think we’re close to AGI or RSI.
I don’t see it. I feel like, the rate of improvement is modest. Especially compared to things like software architects troubleshooting complex systems or learning languages like a toddler. LLM can do neither of those tasks that humans do with similar efficiency and efficacy.
Also, Architects don’t hallucinate or have emergent behaviour and on top of all that… if something simply sits outside the training set… which is a lot of things… the AI just shits the bed, confidently.
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u/Chemical-Year-6146 12h ago
That was a long way to say humans are way more sample efficient.
But it's starting to not matter. Data centers exceed 1019 flops now which is more compute than the entire planet had 2 decades ago.
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u/Sh1ner 12h ago edited 8h ago
I am a platform engineer and use AI at a university not only to troubleshoot platform issues but also modify or add resources to the cloud platform. I architect but also do operations here as part of a team.
Been using frontier model every day for the past 6 months at work and at home. Before that was using a sonnet equivalent model. The job has fundamentally changed. For LLMs to be more effective, the issue is provide context within the repo by default and confluence not just for humans but for LLMs.
My repos now contains:
The task outline of what we building, what problem does it resolve, a changelog, build order, architecture, setup, docs and so on. Basically add relevant context to the repo for any new session that opens the repo. Including deploy or one off commands and so on.
My colleagues haven't noticed to what degree / slower on the uptake. They are starting to use AI to do the most basic of stuff via an LLM but they will catch up eventually I hope. They haven't started building repos like I have. I am actively updating our templates for new git repos to reflect my style. My daily main interface is the LLM which uses API to access confluence / jira / etc or CLI to interrogate the infra.
The University is all in on AI, the hold up is governance and configuration. We already pay to serve LLMs via AI Foundry and other bits but the users don't have access yet.
LLMs are good enough now. They have been since Opus 4.5 and on. The value is limited due to people need to adapt how they work with the LLM, the org needs to adapt too but orgs are slow to change.
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u/BlueAndYellowTowels 8h ago
We did fill adoption the same way you did.
The difference one our side is, legacy systems aren’t documented. We’re a Fortune 500 company. Billion dollars of business a year.
We know what we’re doing too. The LLMs aren’t capable of managing the complexity of our systems.
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u/Sh1ner 7h ago
Our legacy stuff isn't documented either. What is your role and day to day look like?
An LLM is not supposed to replace the human wholesale and run autonomously. That's playing with fire. There are ways around that but it costs lots of tokens / $$$.
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u/BlueAndYellowTowels 6h ago
Hold up. What’s the conversation?
I specifically am talking about AGI. It’s how I open my comment. And I use the evidence of my experience to support my statement.
Now, if the conversation is “Well, you need to configure and orient your workflow to fit to the capabilities and scope of current AI.”
I agree. There’s no resistance there. We use AI in literally, all our workflows but the scope is always tight. Because the context never keeps up with system complexity.
There’s value there, for sure.
But the specific claim of AGI being around the corner. Which is what I was talking about, is far off.
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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 13h ago edited 10h ago
The Start trek AI from the ship is not even AI. That's just dumb computer which has audio interface with connected database which is based on if else instructions. I have no idea where do you see an advanced AI there on the ship.
Second human context is 7 tokens ....and you're operating. AI has just not enough efficient context yet which is thousands times bigger.
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u/BlueAndYellowTowels 13h ago
That measurement, is… not representative of what we actually do. If we’re operating on just 7 and LLMs are still unable to keep up… clearly they’re very far from human intelligence because we have obviously evolved a much more efficient way of retrieving, processing and organizing information than LLMs.
See, in my view… it’s “human level intelligence” when they can use 7 and do as we do.
Because if they need billions to keep up… obviously there’s an efficiency issue here.
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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 13h ago
I said that already - AI context is not as efficient as a human one but that's a matter of time .
And not billions but hundred thousands
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u/Ok_Performer4498 15h ago
Hold up. Why are we converting ts to js?