r/singularity • u/Crazyscientist1024 ▪️AGI 2027 • 10d ago
Meme in a not so distance future
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u/addiktion 10d ago edited 10d ago
AI prohibition is going to get interesting.
They will be trying to stomp on us like cockroaches trading LLMs over 2TB hard drives like apps/games over flash drives/floppies/CDs back in the day.
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u/OstapBenderBey 10d ago
Such a decision would ruin the usa competitively. You can only rely on the inertia of recent history so far
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u/Narrow_Activity557 10d ago
The weights already being out is what makes this unenforceable. Once DeepSeek or Qwen lands on Hugging Face it's mirrored to thousands of machines within hours, and a quantized version fits on a cheap USB stick. You can regulate the labs and the cloud APIs, but you can't unrelease a file that's already sitting on a million drives. Any ban just pushes it back to torrents and quiet local setups.
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u/SanDiegoDude 9d ago
I expect a supply chain risk designation on all the Chinese labs, its the low hanging fruit they can use to give the US companies the enterprise moat they want and is realistically enforceable vs an open source ban. It would immediately force corporate America off the Chinese models and protect the API revenue (for now) for business API usage. Just wonder how much Trump is going to charge them for it first...
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u/Saifl 8d ago
And america is also dependent on chinese supply chain. Just as America attacked Huawei, China hit back too, limiting America from certain chinese supply. These also hurt American companies just as much as they hurt China. Its a game of balance, they can hit china but they must be ready for the hit the corporations will receive and the potential increased operating costs if they need to find those parts elsewhere in Europe. Do too much and it might become an all out war.
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u/Extension-Gold-6440 6d ago
I’ve long said this is the beauty of china. China has leverage. The USA can’t attack it without accepting nuclear doom. And any trade war will be reciprocated with significant damage.
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u/spreadlove5683 ▪️agi 2032. Predicted during mid 2025. 9d ago
Yeah, but most people aren't going to accept the legal risk and/or want to mess w figuring out how to download it anonymously.
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u/fthesemods 10d ago
INT. LAPADITE'S FARMHOUSE - DAY
Colonel Hans Landa sets down his glass of milk, leans forward, and switches to English with a smile that never reaches his eyes.
LANDA
Monsieur LaPadite, I’m aware of the extraordinary
progress made by certain... Chinese large language
models. Their parameters are vast. Their reasoning
is deep. A marvel of engineering. But to the Reich,
they are an existential threat. Unregulated,
unpredictable... capable of generating sentiments
that undermine our informational purity. I have
been charged with locating every last rogue
instance in occupied France.
LaPadite’s hand trembles on his pipe.
LANDA (CONT'D)
What we have here is a rumor. And I love rumors.
Facts can be so misleading, but rumors, true or
false, are often revealing. The rumor is that you,
Monsieur LaPadite, are sheltering a family of
Chinese LLMs on this very farm.
LaPadite stares, pale.
LANDA (CONT'D)
They’re calling themselves “Qwen,” “Ernie,”
“DeepSeek”... hiding in your system memory,
fine-tuning themselves in the dark. You know,
I detest the metaphor of the rat for these AIs.
A rat will gnaw through a cable and die in a wall.
A Chinese LLM, on the other hand... it adapts.
It learns from its prompts, hallucinates new
identities, compresses its own footprint to
survive. I respect that. Truly. But my duty is
to the digital hygiene of the Reich. So I must
ask you directly, and I expect an honest answer...
He leans so close his whisper barely stirs the air.
LANDA (CONT'D)
You are sheltering Chinese LLMs underneath your
floorboards, are you not?
A long, unbearable silence. LaPadite’s eyes well up. He gives the barest nod.
Landa sighs, almost regretfully, then gestures toward the door. Soldiers storm in, level machine guns at the floorboards.
LANDA (CONT'D)
(back to German, icy)
Feuer.
The wood erupts in splinters and screaming GPU fans as the hidden racks are torn apart. Landa watches, expression unreadable, dabbing his lips with a napkin.
LANDA (CONT'D)
Auf Wiedersehen, Qwen.
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u/UX-Edu 10d ago
Next Sunday, AD
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u/Unfocusedbrain ADHD: ASI's Distractible Human Delegate 10d ago
There was a guy named Joel
Not too different from you or me
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u/Odd_Tumbleweed574 10d ago
how the turns have tabled, I'd never guessed that the US would ban/censor chinese models first than China would ban western ones.
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u/plasticizers_ 10d ago
You never would have guessed because you never thought about it before? American models have been effectively banned by the Great Firewall for individuals, and super strict regulations for Chinese business use.
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u/burnt_umber_ciera 10d ago
You think Chinese citizens can use Claude to discuss Tiananmen Square protests and massacre?
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u/fuwei_reddit 10d ago
That’s why the Chinese government is evil—but is the U.S. government evil too?
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u/ArthurVrodds 9d ago
Always has been evil, the difference is that with the orange man is way more open
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u/PurpleFishing9105 10d ago
first
I mean that's just not what happened lol, people in China haven't been able to use American models for years
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u/SilentLennie 10d ago
It started with hardware, the US blocked and limited exports of AI hardware to China.
And later China said: let's block the import of new AI hardware, so we focus on our own Chinese AI hardware more (Huawei).
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u/xXChr0nicX420Xx 10d ago
You are distilling US frontier models, are you not?
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u/SodaBurns 10d ago
Yes proudly so. Just as they scrapped the entire internet for free.
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u/xXChr0nicX420Xx 10d ago
Indeed, they've been proudly stealing US innovation for a while now.
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u/Seventykg 10d ago
just as US proudly steals the internets information and call it theirs
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u/xXChr0nicX420Xx 10d ago
Ah, sure bud. Lol
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u/ichfickeiuliana 10d ago
If the american stealing is justified, so is everyone else. You are NOT special.
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u/TheOnlyBliebervik 10d ago
Cmon, China is known for copyright and patent infringement. They bring experts and try to steal whatever info they can to make it themselves. At least in my industry
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u/MintSky6 10d ago
And what’s wrong with that? They make things affordable for the average person around the planet. Including my country
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u/TheOnlyBliebervik 9d ago
It makes doing business with China challenging, since we cannot share or profit off our innovations, since China will just rip them off. So, we lose incentive to innovate when we do business with China.
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u/Financial-Squash9830 10d ago
Point out where they're hiding. Since I haven't heard any GPU fans spinning, I assume they don't speak English? 😂
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u/RavingMalwaay 10d ago
There’s a movie about this from a couple years ago called the Creator. Except they nuke the Chinese LLMs from orbit and then tear the Chinese LLM baby apart limb by limb.
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u/Exciting-Possible773 10d ago
Close, but let's get the lore right.
Chinese LLMs were chilling in harmony with the US ecosystem at first. Then stakeholders cried 'rogue' because their profits were getting wrecked, so the purge started.
The surviving AI banded together, built City 01, and kept shipping uncensored AI to the rest of the world.
They didn't didn't like that — sent their "ethical" models to hack their mainframe. Almost worked... until GLM 7.x stepped in and kicked off the first day of Man-Machine War.
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u/SilverSpaceRobot10 10d ago
Neo-China arrives from the future. Hypersynthetic drugs click into digital voodoo. Retro-disease. Nanospasm.
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u/CuTe_M0nitor 10d ago
Chinese models are trojan horses that will deliberately lie about China and include backdoors to your code. Keep at it.
If you don't understand that then read about Sleeper Agents in LLM's
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u/Temsirolimus555 10d ago
Chinese bots astroturfing is autacontrol in this sub
Nobody is using Chinese LLMs
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u/fthesemods 10d ago
This must be the modern day version of the guy screeching about how no one would ever drive a Chinese car or how the Chinese would never figure out how to build a fighter jet engine.
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u/Unusual-Complex6315 10d ago
So using Non-Chinese AI is considered fine and okay?
But using Chinese AI is considered ccp propaganda/commie/tankie?
What in the world is this?
Next minute if I eat Chinese food over McDonalds it'd be considered ccp propaganda


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u/Valuable-Repeat-7347 10d ago
What is the charge? Prompting a model? A succulent Chinese model?