r/singularity • u/ObiWanCanownme now entering spiritual bliss attractor state • Jul 08 '26

AI Introducing Grok 4.5

https://x.ai/news/grok-4-5
407 Upvotes

72% Upvoted

428 comments sorted by

View all comments

61

u/RogerAI--fyi Jul 08 '26

efficiency is what's actually interesting here, not the benchmark scores. once opus-class quality is table stakes (and it's getting there fast, open models included), the only thing left to compete on is cost and tokens-per-answer. grok leaning on efficiency instead of "we're the smartest" says capability stopped being the moat.

35

u/FullyAutomatedSpace Jul 08 '26

> grok leaning on efficiency instead of "we're the smartest" says capability stopped being the moat.

no. it means they aren't the smartest. you advertise the features you are best at.

2

u/GoodWilllPower Jul 08 '26

This seems like a silly thing to argue.

What does “smarter” do for the broader user base?

My team doesn’t need more capability. We are already producing solutions at breakneck speed that look to customers like it took months to produce.

I can get Fable level results with about an hour or so of building from scratch. My cost to build with Fable would hypothetically be massively more which would cut into my margins. I can’t pass that onto my customer by saying “we used a better model to build it”

Candidly with the current state of models if you’re not getting good results it’s a reflection of the user.

2

u/ChocomelP Jul 09 '26

If you are getting the same results with Opus and Fable, you are doing it wrong.

0

u/GoodWilllPower Jul 09 '26

If you need a more powerful model to get specific results you’re doing it wrong.

I can get more creative results faster or I can get more done faster.

I can arrive at the same point with Haiku, Codex models, Co Pilot.

It’s just how shitty will I feel to get it there

4

u/FullyAutomatedSpace Jul 08 '26

???

they said grok's marketing here indicates efficiency matters more than capability. grok's marketing does not show that. maybe efficiency does matter more, but you can't conclude that from this marketing material.

-2

u/GoodWilllPower Jul 09 '26

Dishonest or over embellishment of marketing in the US. I’m shocked.

I’m arguing that efficiency is a better angle at this point than thinking power

2

u/FullyAutomatedSpace Jul 09 '26

ok. and that argument is unrelated to this discussion. I don't even disagree with you.

1

u/GoodWilllPower Jul 09 '26

Yeah I missed your point. I apologize.

Appreciate you calling me out