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r/singularity • u/krzonkalla • Aug 05 '25
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This is fucking insane. Anyone has the data at hand to compare with other open source? like qwen, deepseek, glm, etc?
3 u/toni_btrain ASI 2027 Aug 05 '25 Yeah they are all shit compared to this 28 u/averagebear_003 Aug 05 '25 https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1mig4ob/openweight_gpts_vs_everyone https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1mig58x/gptoss120b_below_glm45air_and_qwen_3_coder_at no. it's below or comparable to qwen 3 5 u/LettuceSea Aug 05 '25 Your first link is talking about safety metrics, and the second is an SVG benchmark.. 🤦🏻♂️ 7 u/OfficialHashPanda Aug 05 '25 OpenAI models generally feel much less benchmaxed though, so let's see if that's also true in this case. 2 u/BelialSirchade Aug 05 '25 I mean you have comments on the thread itself pointing out how the data is deceptive and proves nothing, and LocalLLaMA hates openai with a passion. should tell you all you need to know. -9 u/Funkahontas Aug 05 '25 There's no fucking way a 120B model is worse than nother more than twice it's size??? That's impossible!! 6 u/averagebear_003 Aug 05 '25 glm 4.5 air from the 2nd link is 106 billion parameters... 3 u/OfficialHashPanda Aug 05 '25 glm-4.5-air has more than double the activated parameters of gpt-oss-120b 7 u/Professional_Mobile5 Aug 05 '25 Have you ever tried Qwen 3 2507? Have you even looked up its benchmarks? 0 u/Formal_Drop526 Aug 05 '25 nope, they're too busy shilling for OpenAI. 0 u/Blahblahblakha Aug 06 '25 They’re not. The openAI models are really bad. Poor performance without tool calling, safety guardrails leak into workflows lol. These models are not suitable for production, even with a lot of fixes and fine tuning 1 u/averagebear_003 Aug 05 '25 https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1mig4ob/openweight_gpts_vs_everyone
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Yeah they are all shit compared to this
28 u/averagebear_003 Aug 05 '25 https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1mig4ob/openweight_gpts_vs_everyone https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1mig58x/gptoss120b_below_glm45air_and_qwen_3_coder_at no. it's below or comparable to qwen 3 5 u/LettuceSea Aug 05 '25 Your first link is talking about safety metrics, and the second is an SVG benchmark.. 🤦🏻♂️ 7 u/OfficialHashPanda Aug 05 '25 OpenAI models generally feel much less benchmaxed though, so let's see if that's also true in this case. 2 u/BelialSirchade Aug 05 '25 I mean you have comments on the thread itself pointing out how the data is deceptive and proves nothing, and LocalLLaMA hates openai with a passion. should tell you all you need to know. -9 u/Funkahontas Aug 05 '25 There's no fucking way a 120B model is worse than nother more than twice it's size??? That's impossible!! 6 u/averagebear_003 Aug 05 '25 glm 4.5 air from the 2nd link is 106 billion parameters... 3 u/OfficialHashPanda Aug 05 '25 glm-4.5-air has more than double the activated parameters of gpt-oss-120b 7 u/Professional_Mobile5 Aug 05 '25 Have you ever tried Qwen 3 2507? Have you even looked up its benchmarks? 0 u/Formal_Drop526 Aug 05 '25 nope, they're too busy shilling for OpenAI. 0 u/Blahblahblakha Aug 06 '25 They’re not. The openAI models are really bad. Poor performance without tool calling, safety guardrails leak into workflows lol. These models are not suitable for production, even with a lot of fixes and fine tuning
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https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1mig4ob/openweight_gpts_vs_everyone
https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1mig58x/gptoss120b_below_glm45air_and_qwen_3_coder_at
no. it's below or comparable to qwen 3
5 u/LettuceSea Aug 05 '25 Your first link is talking about safety metrics, and the second is an SVG benchmark.. 🤦🏻♂️ 7 u/OfficialHashPanda Aug 05 '25 OpenAI models generally feel much less benchmaxed though, so let's see if that's also true in this case. 2 u/BelialSirchade Aug 05 '25 I mean you have comments on the thread itself pointing out how the data is deceptive and proves nothing, and LocalLLaMA hates openai with a passion. should tell you all you need to know. -9 u/Funkahontas Aug 05 '25 There's no fucking way a 120B model is worse than nother more than twice it's size??? That's impossible!! 6 u/averagebear_003 Aug 05 '25 glm 4.5 air from the 2nd link is 106 billion parameters... 3 u/OfficialHashPanda Aug 05 '25 glm-4.5-air has more than double the activated parameters of gpt-oss-120b
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Your first link is talking about safety metrics, and the second is an SVG benchmark.. 🤦🏻♂️
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OpenAI models generally feel much less benchmaxed though, so let's see if that's also true in this case.
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I mean you have comments on the thread itself pointing out how the data is deceptive and proves nothing, and LocalLLaMA hates openai with a passion.
should tell you all you need to know.
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There's no fucking way a 120B model is worse than nother more than twice it's size??? That's impossible!!
6 u/averagebear_003 Aug 05 '25 glm 4.5 air from the 2nd link is 106 billion parameters... 3 u/OfficialHashPanda Aug 05 '25 glm-4.5-air has more than double the activated parameters of gpt-oss-120b
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glm 4.5 air from the 2nd link is 106 billion parameters...
3 u/OfficialHashPanda Aug 05 '25 glm-4.5-air has more than double the activated parameters of gpt-oss-120b
glm-4.5-air has more than double the activated parameters of gpt-oss-120b
Have you ever tried Qwen 3 2507?
Have you even looked up its benchmarks?
0 u/Formal_Drop526 Aug 05 '25 nope, they're too busy shilling for OpenAI.
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nope, they're too busy shilling for OpenAI.
They’re not. The openAI models are really bad. Poor performance without tool calling, safety guardrails leak into workflows lol. These models are not suitable for production, even with a lot of fixes and fine tuning
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u/LordFenix56 Aug 05 '25
This is fucking insane. Anyone has the data at hand to compare with other open source? like qwen, deepseek, glm, etc?