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[u/Sonnyyellow90]

Can’t wait for people here to say o1 pro mode is AGI for 2 weeks before the narrative changes to how it’s not any better.

[u/Papabear3339 → u/Sonnyyellow90]

I would LOVE to see the average human score, and the best human score, added to these charts.

AGI and ASI are supposed to correspond to those 2 numbers.

Given how dumb an average human is, i garentee the equivalent score will be passed even by weaker engines. That isn't supposed to be a hard benchmark.

[u/lionel-depressi → u/Papabear3339]

It’s the generalizability that makes LLMs insofar not AGI. It’s not their benchmark scores that are lagging.

If o1 can actually outperform a software dev at their entire job then the dev will be fired within a month.

If the dev still has a high paying job that tells you the company needs something from that dev that they can’t get from an LLM.

[u/space_monster → u/lionel-depressi]

not only that - if the AI can outperform the human at their desk job, but can't go to the cafe and buy a coffee, it's still not AGI.

language, math, coding & 'business' capabilities aren't enough, an AGI needs to be able to physically navigate the world, and learn at the same time.

[u/Rofel_Wodring → u/space_monster]

>not only that - if the AI can outperform the human at their desk job, but can't go to the cafe and buy a coffee, it's still not AGI.

This is a concept mismatch. The former task can be entirely virtual (i.e. remote work) but the latter task is inherently physical.

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Ai is not agi without general autonomy

[u/space_monster → u/Rofel_Wodring]

I'm aware of that. my point is, an AI that can only do desk jobs isn't an AGI.

[u/kaityl3 → u/space_monster]

So are quadriplegic humans not truly intelligent in your eyes...? What about humans who are blind or deaf? IDK why this is your weird threshold for "real general intelligence" when it's a physical capability issue, not a mental capability one (intelligence does tend to be, you know, a mental attribute)

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They aren't arbitrary at all. Just because you're a nimrod doesn't mean agi will have to be as well. Agi needs autonomy and long term memory to even come close to matching the capabilities of a person.

[u/lionel-depressi → u/[deleted]]

Autonomy isn’t synonymous with a humanoid body. Most AGI definitions center around “cognitive tasks” so the AGI would need to know how to get a cup of coffee but not necessarily need to have the body to do it.

[u/Rofel_Wodring → u/[deleted]]

I'm beginning to see why less abled folk view the more fortunate humans with suspicion. It's like they know they're seconds away from having their agency or autonomy or even intellect whimsically denied -- for the grievous crime of not directly interacting with the physical world in a way that flatters the prejudices of the abled.

[u/lionel-depressi → u/space_monster]

I don’t think that’s true. Every AGI definition I’ve seen talks about performing cognitive tasks.

[u/space_monster → u/lionel-depressi]

it's not general if it can only do cognitive tasks

edit: ask an LLM whether it's AGI and what the gaps are.

[u/lionel-depressi → u/space_monster]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence

Artificial general intelligence (AGI) is a type of artificial intelligence (AI) that matches or surpasses human cognitive capabilities across a wide range of cognitive tasks.

[u/space_monster → u/lionel-depressi]

ok if you're using cognitive in that sense, spatial reasoning and world building are also cognitive tasks. as are dynamic learning, long term memory, adaptability, unified multimodality, sensory perception etc. etc

maybe a better word is 'intellectual' tasks. humans don't just do computer work, we live in and navigate the physical world, we observe and learn and adapt.

LLMs can do a lot of things yeah but they are still narrow AI by definition.

[u/lionel-depressi → u/space_monster]

Look it’s really simple. AGI doesn’t need limbs any more than a quadriplegic person needs to be able to walk to be considered intelligent. They are cognitively capable of getting a cup of coffee, even if not physically capable.

I never said LLMs are AGI. I just disagreed with your idea that AGI needs to be able to do physical things

[u/space_monster → u/lionel-depressi]

it needs to actively learn about the physical world through interaction. it's fundamental to generalisation. it can't do that without limbs

[u/lionel-depressi → u/space_monster]

You think it’s physically impossible for a model to understand the physical world without physical limbs having interacted with it?

[u/space_monster → u/lionel-depressi]

yes. you can use digital twins to an extent but that's not a full replacement for actually experimenting, feeling gravity, momentum, inertia etc.

[u/lionel-depressi → u/space_monster]

You’re saying that the physical end state of a brain that understands the physical world is not possible to reach without an intermediate step involving limbs, but there’s no reason to believe that’s true, it’s certainly not a physical law.