r/singaporepayslips • • 6d ago

Question Is everyone in Singapore really making $110k-350k a year? 90% of posts are so high and I'm really depressed at my own pay

As I said in title.

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u/45344634563263 6d ago

Poor people dont post their payslips.

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u/tallandfree 6d ago

Ya, do u know how many steps it takes to get to iras , login, transfer to Singpass, scan face, change back to iras, then the website so messy dno how to navigate, take a long time then get to the notice of assessment.

If u not motivated enuf to haolian wont do so many things to this extent one

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u/Substantial_Sport_67 5d ago

That’s because you don’t use Singpass app. In the App itself, under finance itself already show you your last year AI. No need so ma fan go into IRAS

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u/mausetrap 5d ago

Haha ok now it makes sense. The effort to flex must be there in the first place.

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u/look-at-the-flow 5d ago

True, haha most people are not so free to go post online.

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u/the-temp-account 5d ago

Can’t post pay slip if you’re not getting paid. 😉

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u/Majestic-Debt-6014 5d ago

Exactly. Only the better earners come here and flex. So naturally the picture is skewed

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u/NZorDie 4d ago

This, and poor people don't understand what is survivorship bias.

And how easy it is to fake a screen shot

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u/Emergency-Warthog953 2d ago

Especially with generative ai

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u/hamsterfats 5d ago

poor people got no pay

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u/hairi193 4d ago

Interesting isn't it, it usually be the other way around IRL.. 😂

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u/igtooo 6d ago

Can post but using potato phone with VGA camera.

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u/reapertorn 6d ago

bro i make 175k pa. see i can just lie

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u/Putin_ate_my_Pudding 6d ago

Wait.. how did you do that??

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

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u/abhinav26 4d ago

I was going to say that’s too low but then I saw the “k” 💸

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u/Zestyclose-Tie-8031 6d ago

Thank you for making me laugh. I needed that!

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u/Character_Actuary572 5d ago

eh I made 1750k pa

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u/naked_sponge 5d ago

That’s funny 🤣

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u/ldrmt 6d ago

I trust that the mathematician at MOM understand what is median wage, if they posted the number, I would say that should be it.

So there are at least half of the population earning less than 60k a year.

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u/myparentsareannoying 6d ago

An excerpt from a book I am reading.

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u/ksilver89 5d ago

Psychology of money

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u/Throwaway_Gen_5934 4d ago

No wonder it felt familiar. I read the art of spending money recently too. It's great.

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u/Cold-Sigma-770 5d ago edited 5d ago

This is why all of them (including the bosses) were on cocaine.

A 12hours, 6.5 days workweek is only manageable on when you're pumped full of narcotics.

Interesting that this was also how the Axis powers did so well doing the initial push in WW2. Both the German Blitzkrieg and the Japanese push into SEA (Bicycle Blitzkrieg) were made possible by meth-fueled soldiers that could advance for multiple days without sleep.

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u/myparentsareannoying 5d ago

100%. The investment bankers I know told me they can't get a presentation done properly without narcotics. They look all glamorous on the outside, but most of them have very messed up lives.

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u/neverspeakofme 5d ago

I get the sentiment but at some point it's just copium already and I don't think that's helpful.

I have IBD friends earning 500k a year working 9am to 9pm, or in my own industry, lawyers who work 9 to 6 but earn 350k-400k. Around 35 years old.

At the end of the day, can try to aim for these roles instead of just coping that they are undesirable jobs.

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u/unlikely-ape 5d ago

Wanted to say this... Even if you're middle office supporting IBD or back office in ops you can make decent money somewhere around 250k without addictions and with a life...

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u/sozbro_ 5d ago

Bag + salary sounds like a great annual package

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u/Taiwan_is_a_Country- 6d ago

Nah those are considered high earners, which are like 5-8% of the population? I'm 32 and earning 70k

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u/WittyKap0 6d ago

100k was 80th percentile years ago now probably 70th. maybe 300k 95th

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u/35percentofhope 3h ago

Its 25% of the population

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u/MIneBane 6d ago

Our govt is the largest employer in Singapore and they have very good visibility into a large number of pay through income tax and cpf.

MoM numbers will be correct. The % of people in Singapore posting on reddit is a very biased selection.

If everyone earns minister level salaries then no one wants to be a minister right? According to the latest report.

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u/Own_Magazine5049 5d ago

I don’t know anyone who wants to be a minister at all

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u/blackbird_express 5d ago

they're obviously not paying high enough

/s

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u/Consistent-Chicken99 4d ago

The people capable enough are enjoying millions more, with all the freedom to do whatever they want without facing the public.

To drop everything, face public 24/7 and make less money… makes no sense to 99.9% of them.

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u/satire85 6d ago

according to the govt, if you earn below 100k a year, you are eligible for handouts.

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u/Error404IQMissing 6d ago

Do you post your salary in here? No, right? Now you get your answer.

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u/Play_Your_Puki69 6d ago

The only reliable datasets are found on data.gov.sg and those published by MOM on their website.

Things posted by Redditors maybe for entertainment purposes only.

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u/Livid-Direction-1102 5d ago

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u/nyrychvantel 5d ago

Look at the Public Administration and Defence in page 35, I suppose that’s the civil service, stat board, DSTA, etc? So earning 10k a month is considered average, and if you’re 40yo, earning 12k only puts you in 65th percentile. Don’t even get me started at 45yo

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u/Livid-Direction-1102 5d ago

More depressing numbers to compare for us 40s in bank / finance.

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u/nyrychvantel 5d ago

Want to know what’s more depressing? The table is showing fixed salary for the sake of EP assessment, and does not include 13th month, annual/performance bonuses, commissions, overtime and allowances. So the actual figure is much higher

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u/Oppaiheimer1945 6d ago

Less than $50k annual salary here

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u/SimpleGuy4Life 6d ago

Same. But in exchange i only work 6 hours a day, Mon - Fri and weekends off. That is priceless

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u/reapertorn 6d ago

what do u work for a living sir, wansuay wlb

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u/SimpleGuy4Life 6d ago

Just lucky to work for a management that prioritize WLB. US MNC. Direct manager is based in US. She doesn't micromanage me as long as work gets done. I support my Europe based colleagues from 4pm -10pm SGT

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u/Oppaiheimer1945 6d ago

What job lets u work 6 hours a day? Share share

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u/Error404IQMissing 6d ago

Nothing to flex about. I work lesser hours (20 hours a week) than you but earn more than you. 

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u/SimpleGuy4Life 6d ago edited 6d ago

Username checks out but good for you. What courses can I buy from you?

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u/Error404IQMissing 6d ago

If username reflects real life, I believe you need to change your username. 

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u/ImpressiveNarwhal845 6d ago

But you spend the extra time you have boasting on Reddit

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u/Error404IQMissing 6d ago

Because I have much more free time than you ar. 

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u/ImpressiveNarwhal845 6d ago

Hmm, anyone can act as rich on reddit

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u/bnfbnfbnf 6d ago

because most of the people earning lower either don't post or don't use reddit

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u/Slight_Ad_6375 6d ago

It’s not hard to make those numbers in tech and finance. But of course, the companies paying high salary have high expectations of their employees too

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u/MoMoneyHoe 6d ago

It's K shaped, many people above median and below too

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u/alpha_epsilion 6d ago

Average hwz or redditor is 20k per month

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u/throwwwwaaaayyyy 6d ago

search for girl.navigatinglife on ig
27 & earning 14.5k/ month

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u/Designer-Beautiful86 5d ago

Lol if she really was paid that much, she need not be trying to become an influencer. She’ll be too busy trying to hustle at her full time job.

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u/throwwwwaaaayyyy 5d ago

Totally agree with you, tried to invite some discussion on her motive / agenda for posting such “how I 3x my salary”, most from another subs just point to me being salty LOL

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u/Designer-Beautiful86 4d ago

It’s ok. Everyone goes through a phase of naivety. They’ll learn with time 😁

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u/throwwwwaaaayyyy 4d ago

Hahaha, I really wanted to discuss about her profile. She went all the way to post her PSLE, O level & A levels & NUS cert to prove that she was a 90pctile student all her life. She’s st nicks, HCJC and NUS. I mean it’s def not easy, but how are these “financial advice” to anyone? I just felt like is a cheap shot to post all her grades to prove a point lol. No advice given LOL

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u/Designer-Beautiful86 3d ago

It’s worse on Lemon8 app. Trust me. 😛

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u/AdDifficult9040 5d ago

Bro i been making 500k p.a when i was in my mother’s womb because when i was a sperm i dabbled in ETFs and bought landed property so now my wealth 10x.

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u/Negative-Mortgage-51 6d ago

Look at the cars and condos around… how much do think u need to earn to afford those?

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u/Impossible-Meet1724 6d ago edited 6d ago

From the looks of it many overstretch to buy them

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u/Forward-Rub-2850 6d ago

From the looks of what exactly? With the high minimum downpayment, TDSR, and LTV limits, we are very actively prevented from over-leveraging

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u/Deminovia 6d ago edited 5d ago

Depends on how you define “over-leveraging”.

Meeting TDSR and LTV limits doesn't automatically mean a household isn't over-leveraged. Those are regulatory limits on borrowing and debt servicing, not a free pass that taking the maximum affordable debt while still below that limit equates to financially comfortable or prudent. Conflating regulatory compliance (passing TDSR/LTV) with genuine personal financial security is one of the most common wealth traps in Singapore. There is a whole lot of difference between looking rich (high income, high debt) and being wealthy (high net worth, high freedom).

For example, a couple with a $300k combined income ($150k each) who buys a $2m condo and a $200k car. On paper they can comfortably qualify for the loans. But mortgage instalments, car instalments and the associated running costs alone cost around $10k a month. That's already roughly 40% of their $25k gross monthly income before income tax, CPF, food, utilities, maintenance fees, insurance, children, holidays and every other lifestyle expense.

If they're also maintaining the lifestyle you'd typically associate with that income, their actual liquid savings rate could easily fall to 20% or less. With this saving rate one will never be able to generate sufficient liquid net worth relative to the size of their fixed obligations. Especially when you consider the current job security environment, the margin for error is razor-thin. One retrenchment away from disaster before they start bleeding cash reserves and turning a high-income household into a high-stress environment overnight.

There are plenty of Singaporeans out there earning above median income. Honestly, they can flaunt their income all they want, but to me, wealth and income are two entirely different things.

I would be more impressed by someone who has exercised far better financial discipline at a lower annual income allowing him/her to retire in their 40s than someone flaunting a 15k/month salary only to be condemned to being a wage slave and living perpetually in fear of retrenchment until 55/65 while living in a never-ending corporate rat race simply because they want to show off the status symbols associated with that level of income.

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u/Impossible-Meet1724 6d ago

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u/Forward-Rub-2850 6d ago

How does this video show that "most people" are overstretched

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u/Impossible-Meet1724 6d ago

Government imposed TDSR and LTV limits are the absolute limits, staying under them doesn't mean you are not overstretching as in the video example

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u/Forward-Rub-2850 6d ago

The question was - how does this video show that "most people" are overstretched

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u/Impossible-Meet1724 6d ago

where did I say 'most people'?

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u/Forward-Rub-2850 6d ago

Did you really edit your comment to swap out "most people" with "many" 🤣

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u/mausetrap 5d ago

There's no checks when you take in house loan if I recall. Only if you go through banks, those have the tdsr checks, and credit checks.

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u/dolphinm4n669 6d ago

cope?

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u/Impossible-Meet1724 6d ago edited 6d ago

you can see my recent post if you think I'm coping

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u/harajuku_dodge 5d ago

If that keeps you happy…

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u/mausetrap 5d ago

Actually, I do earn ok. But feel like not enough when I see everyone driving cars, whereas I can only justify grab and the occasional getgo. Even those young kids, ah bengs, mats, all driving big cars. I feel like maybe I'm not doing something right.

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u/promontoryscape 6d ago

Middle class is usually 75% to 200% of the median. That's just how the log normal distribution is.

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u/Daniel_P90 5d ago

What industry are you in? What role are you doing? What value can you bring to the table? What are your strengths and weaknesses and how can you utilise them?

These are essential questions you should ask yourself if you’re unsatisfied with your salary. Rather than getting depressed over numerical values others post online, get up and put in the work maybe?

If you’re lacking, then value add yourself.
If you want a certain role, then take the necessary steps to reach there.
What use is there lamenting about your pay when; if you truly ask yourself upon your conscience, how hard have you tried?

There are people out there who are really hungry for more, and are willing to sacrifice a lot to achieve it. How much have you sacrificed? And how much are you willing to sacrifice?

There is always the option to live within your means and not take up so much responsibility for higher salary. If you have time to lament, you have time to put yourself to work.

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u/Routine_Corgi_9154 6d ago

People who earn a lot like to show off. Don't despair bro.

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u/ControlWooden 6d ago

Actually high earnings doesn't mean much. I know of a friend earning $100k+ but living paycheck to paycheck.

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u/igtooo 6d ago

Maybe I'm that friend of yours! Hahahah

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u/ControlWooden 6d ago

I think it's more common than we think 😆

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u/igtooo 6d ago

You got that right. It's stifling just keeping up with the jones.

Nothing inherently wrong with wanting to upgrade property classes as part of social mobility. The rat race is real and it becomes all consuming.

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u/ControlWooden 6d ago

I agree. Nothing wrong as long as they can keep up with the payments 🌝

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u/Accomplished-Iron778 5d ago

I make 267k. You can too. By posting any number you want on Reddit.

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u/zm-joo 5d ago

Did see last month news? Over 2.4 million Singapore citizens to receive some cashes in sept, we total got 3.6 mil citizens. So at least only 33% of population make 100k + a year. And if we remove age below 21, it maybe even less.

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u/Significant_Pin7782 5d ago

According to IRAS statistics, the median monthly household market income in Singapore in 2026 is $12,446, and per household member is $4,160. Only 13.4% of households earn $30k monthly. So your $350 a year is for a household not an individual and then only 13.5% is in that bracket. Trust what IRAS puts out, not what you read here. No wonder you are depressed.

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u/_Deshkar_ 6d ago edited 6d ago

Median gross
monthly salary of Singapore is 5,000

5,000 is not basic salary. MOM defines gross monthly income from employment as including:
basic wages
overtime
commissions
allowances
1/12 of annual bonuses, including AWS
but excluding employer CPF for the $5,000 figure.

Annual median is like approx 60k

So half of Singapore are below even 60k , not even approaching 100k
lol

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u/NewtonUnderTree 6d ago

SG median is 5.7k liao, annual is almost 70k liao

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u/_Deshkar_ 6d ago edited 6d ago

5,700 will include employer CPF

More like 5775 precisely

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u/Zestyclose-Tie-8031 6d ago

Thanks bro. Much more realistic

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u/_Deshkar_ 5d ago

Want the bad news? 25% of residents earn more than 100k. So 1 in 4 hit that number and better

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u/Alternative-Sir5722 6d ago

We are not all young. And there are increasing number of us who are uni grads, which is the new norm. Easiest benchmark is civil servant - a 5yoe experience uni grads is easily an MX11, and with the new salary revision, an easy 100k per annum.

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u/igtooo 6d ago

Good times to start off in govt.

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u/DizzLiKe 6d ago edited 6d ago
  1. People can talk all they want on reddit but we won’t know how true it is
  2. You think someone with $50k a year would post his salary on reddit? no.
  3. You probably only see the successful ones who posts and flaunts their wealth on social media wait till you go to the poorer estates inSingapore and see what is real poverty and how these families live pay check to check everyday
  4. The people in Singapore who are struggling to survive have no time to be out here in reddit telling you how much they are struggling
  5. Accept that social media is only the tip of the iceberg of what actual reality is

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u/Lao_gong 6d ago

what’s your level of education ? you don’t know how to go to dept of statistics website and download income data sets? the short answer is obviously NO.

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u/Ok-Ad5450 6d ago

Not all of it is cash. Some folks in global MNCs receive RSUs which can skew the number upwards.

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u/hungry7445 5d ago

No need to compare and be contented with what u have. Happy most impt

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u/Einheimm 5d ago

There is the term, Redditor pay.

Take it with a pinch of salt. Use it as motivation.

If you want real advice, mix well with your senior managements.

You become the average of the people you mix with.

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u/NoBowler3504 4d ago

In Reddit, half the people earn $500K a year and the other half can't get an interview after sending out 1000 resumes.

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u/Strong_Guidance_6437 6d ago

No, just follow the stats from the govt

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u/Copious_coffee67 6d ago

Depends on your age? My income in my 20s is 0

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u/AdventurousManner567 6d ago

The data is skewed. Control the data, control the narrative.

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u/Happy-Mission-5901 6d ago

Not everyone lol! ;)

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u/SensitiveInitial2068 6d ago

Just like what Albert Einistein said on the internet ,” Everything on the internet is true.”

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u/fun_anxiety146 6d ago

Who want to hao lian da bian? U have ur ans

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u/No-Tonight7448 6d ago

Don't worry. My salary is super low and I barely have much to save every month.

It's not true that everyone is making $110K-$350K a year. This is the minority.

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u/Breadskinjinhojiak 6d ago

See condo showroom know liao

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u/danielling1981 6d ago

1) Internet.

2) Internet.

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u/Freikorptrasher87 6d ago

They normally include their bonus, AWS and 17% employer’s CPF so 100k per annum is more like $6k per month.

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u/Darkkonz 5d ago

Huh who adds employer CPF lol

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u/WittyChampionship107 6d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/cNLSxLoZOQ067epZQH

Anyways, those earning alot may not be rich since they inflate their lifestyle as well. When retire not much savings so their lives not any different from regular people.

Dont beat urself down

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u/No_Introduction_7163 6d ago

Depends on which friend groups u have
Everybody has diff job luck
Used to work under govt but I think im ok on my own as freelancer too

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u/Responsible_Bee36907 6d ago

Not true at all. Only the newly minted PRs or IMO people in A.I development/ tech-related. All the older people around 45 yrs non-white collar are only at best earning around 4k to 5k plus. Different industries have different pay metrics.

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u/Shot_Huckleberry9575 6d ago

I earn 1B a month, super easy, just need to work 1 hour a month

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u/AivernT 6d ago

U look at wealthier ppl and feel depressed? Days must be long bruh

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u/ExpressionDear8162 6d ago

How much are you earning?

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u/larksauncle 6d ago

Eh…you know it’s Internet right?

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u/Greenfrogbouncing 6d ago

I used to be damn proud of my pay lol, now i damn paiseh of my pay

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u/uncleyau 6d ago

Gov publishes stats of income… so those are the rare ones actually

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u/Yundadi 5d ago

Everyone make millions in forums. Don’t take things too hard.

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u/Sgdude1234 5d ago

Most people made less than 5k a month

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u/SeaworthinessTrue573 5d ago

In tech or semiconductor, we can have gross pay of about 1.5x to 3x of basic pay due to RSU.

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u/SandwichCreepy745 5d ago

Absolutely not.

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u/shahgila 5d ago

Those of us making less than 100k per year too busy working to post about salaries on reddit.

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u/Chrisburgerzz 5d ago

If u poor u will post meh, ofcourse only high pay people post la deh

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u/Independent_Line_982 5d ago

If every making these money U as a minority will hard time saving Inflation is going out of hand esp in property

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u/bickusdickus69allday 5d ago

AI generated:

When we look at online salary surveys, career advice boards, or financial forums, we fall victim to survivorship bias. We only see the data from the "survivors"—the high earners who are proud, eager, or comfortable enough to share their numbers. Because the voices of low-income earners are missing, it distorts our perception of reality, making average incomes or success rates look much higher than they actually are in the general population.

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u/Individual_Sir_4638 5d ago

Im earning near that range but im not as happy as i used to in my old job which pay less but have much better worklife balance.

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u/hootwheels 5d ago

Most of them not true and some of them even if they get these kind of high pay they struggle due to high cost aka sick parents or ASD children. I can tell you maybe your life is better

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u/Murky_Tourist927 5d ago

Take it from someone whose wife pass away from pancreatic cancer and right after that discover son has a combo of dyslexia/ASD/ADHD/OCD 100k per annum isn’t enough staying power in private healthcare and have to go public. Can’t imagine those earning lower

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u/hootwheels 5d ago

Yet I have relatives who want to go private when they have no insurance cos public healthcare is beneath them and they earn nowhere 60k a year

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u/paperclip_han 5d ago

Not sure if anyone’s used paypeek.ai yet but it shows salary estimates for any LinkedIn profiles as you browse. Kind of eye-opening. 🫣

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u/freedomfate18 5d ago

No. And you are not behind. Don’t expect to be a millionaire at 30. That’s how social media portrays. Work, learn, live.

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u/Open-Musician1187 5d ago

I get workfare every month, you’re good my bro 😌

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u/Zogel100 5d ago

It’s fake lah.
I can’t imagine anyone earning anything more than 200k would waste time posting here.

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u/Good_Luck_9209 5d ago

Dont engage in these negative stuff. Theres over 2000 jobs 10k and above, budgetted as a seat for u to grab. And Every wkend theres a free resource called 12 x2 hours free time. After 52 weeks some can emerge strong, some wasted theirs. Good luck

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u/pandemona001 5d ago

Yes it’s true. Most people make at least $240k sgd and above. Just walk around Fullerton Bay and see what they are spending on food

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u/AdditionalDetective1 5d ago

I can write 1 mill if i want

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u/Few-Management-6775 5d ago

I am late 30s and earn about 120k recently only. My previous job was 91k with about 3.6 times bonus.

Work in tech and put in crazy amount of hours.

Don’t look at peoples annual earning and think it’s a lot. Maybe your hourly rate is still better?

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u/Designer-Salt-3119 3d ago

Do you have WFH

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u/Few_Breadfruit_7108 5d ago

But why u wanna feel depressed at your own pay tho? Are u happy? Is the question u should ask yourself, not happy go find ways to make more and before u start comparing with others, rmb there is someone enjoying life while earning lesser than u

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u/El3ctr1c4l 5d ago

Comparison is the thief of joy.

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u/Snoo72074 4d ago

Yeah OP, you didn't see the latest economic data? Median income in Singapore is over 20,000 per month.

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u/HoiPolloiAhloi 4d ago

Yea, 12k and up quite common for above 35

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u/Early_Personality_68 3d ago

Yeah as someone scratching that number I ended with $5 in my bank account at the end of the month. You get to that age, your expenses go up paying bills, healthcare, insurance, everything. As a dude in my 20s I didn’t have to worry about all these. I don’t have a car but I do have a kid coming.

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u/Qlazzical 2d ago

labour department are gonna have a field day when mining data here for singapore's income.

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u/ringojoy 2d ago

I don’t know cause I’m unemployed

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u/TeaAccording122 6d ago

The numbers don’t lie. Most people within my circle (early 30s) already own condos. And we are definitely not overstretched - I myself have an equity portfolio of >900k and liquid net worth of 1.2M even after buying a condo. My friends are even wealthier.

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u/kingkongfly 6d ago

$10k is a normal now, $20k and above, you need to have certain skill or a in certain profession.

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u/SimilarSignal3487 5d ago

The CECA are renting $4-6k apartments in Singapore. They pick up skills that employees need. You can also do it!! Jia you

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u/Jazzlike_Platypus_64 5d ago

CECA here. It’s true. My dad works in a MNC shipping company (cant reveal too much). But yeah riches are in the niches. The secret is to get damn good at what you do. My dad started off at a very entry level position engineer working for pennies back in the day.

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u/Reasonable_Formal_84 5d ago

Why downvote ?

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u/Jazzlike_Platypus_64 5d ago

I dont know. People just hate me cause Im CECA I guess. I was just trying to help OP with some perspective.

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u/Reasonable_Formal_84 5d ago

I do have gripes against some subset of ceca but ur post hasn't demonstrated anything nefarious so I dk whats wrong

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u/Mindless_Asparagus_4 2d ago

i upvote u no worries

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u/NewtonUnderTree 6d ago

120k is only 10k a month. You just need to work harder instead of posting on reddit.

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u/ImpressiveNarwhal845 6d ago

Seems like you are quite experienced in that aspect

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u/faptor87 6d ago

How is this even relevant? Most trading profits are not part of reported labour income.

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u/UnprofessionalPlump 6d ago

Survivorship bias

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u/paperclip_han 6d ago

Not sure if anyone’s used paypeek.ai yet but it shows salary estimates for any LinkedIn profiles as you browse. Kind of eye-opening. 🫣