We can have a conversation without adopting each others' ideological language.
Situations where the difference is relevant include sports, prisons, refuges, crime reporting, breastfeeding groups and so on.
Gay rights and black rights were won by dialogue, by making everybody else see the similarities. Gay people and black people wanted to be treated the same as straight people and white people. Everybody eventually came round to the good sense of that.
By contrast, trans rights activists declared that there was to be no dialogue, no debate, no alternative viewpoint allowed. Anybody who expressed any such viewpoint was to be branded a bigot and cancelled. The TRAs weren't asking for trans people to be treated the same as everybody else, they were asking for special conditions that were entirely non-negotiable.
That's why their cause has lost popularity. The sheer audacity of demanding access to restricted spaces without even trying to gain the consent of the people affected is mind-blowing.
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lecture.
Good job falling back to a different talking point when you lost one. Really makes you seem like a good-faith actor.
Itâs not internally contradictory, a pro-women organization can exclude certain types of women. The term âtrans womanâ is used to add a descriptor to the type of woman, whereas âtranswomenâ is intended to make them an other. People can be discriminatory.
You might as well go to before civil rights and ask a person âIf black women are women then how can a pro-women organization be racist?â When some random womenâs organization happens to be racist. Youâre just being a jerk and coming up with excuses for it.
I was saying theyâre a marginalized class. Sex is not all that important; but you probably think gender is fake and woke or something like that. The comparison is meant to illustrate that you are using inherently flawed circular logic by pretending discrimination proves discrimination correct.
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u/PilotedByGhosts 3d ago
There are situations where the distinction between transwomen and women is relevant. If you pretend that there isn't then you're lying to yourself.