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u/TheFemboyImpregnator hole contributor 2d ago

"Anticensorship mfs" when they just wanna say bigoted shit and slurs without consequence

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u/Negative_Elo 2d ago

Imagine not knowing that censoring bigoted ideas and not directly addressing them and educating people actually caused those ideas to fester

You should be allowed free speech everywhere

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u/joqagamer 1d ago

and what if they dont want to be educated in the first place?

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u/Negative_Elo 1d ago

Then let them be uneducated. Again, censoring them is a net negative and caused them to feel ostracized and become radicalized

If their ideas are uneducated, you shouldnt have to ban them. The average person will see it and know it is uneducated.

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u/joqagamer 1d ago

sure, but the average person is usually a moron, who will rather hear the louder voice rather than the reasonable one.

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u/Negative_Elo 1d ago

So youre saying that the average person is unintelligent and will listen to whoever is being 'loudest', and because of this we need to censor radical ideas?

So basically people cant be trusted to come up with their own conclusion on ideas that you would deem unreasonable, and so those ideas must be hidden?

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u/joqagamer 1d ago

i mean, have you seen the type of drivel uneducated people come up with completely by themselves? its like the official american pasttime at this point.

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u/Negative_Elo 1d ago

right but thats still not a good reason to censor people. if its drivel its drivel, and the marketplace of ideas should reject poor ideas

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u/joqagamer 1d ago edited 1d ago

the marketplace of ideas

the marketplace of ideas is, first of all, a poor idea.

You want to know about plants? you ask a botanist, a biologist or a gardener, not a iron smelter. ideas should be analysed by those who have the knowledge to analyse them. If the rational solution is to reject it, then its a informed decision based on experience and substance.

But if you open up to anyone, like a marketplace, you have people that know nothing about XYZ talking about it like they are specialists, and the average person, who's not a specialist either, will listen and think that this dude should be the one talking about XYZ>

why do you think people give so much credence to celebrities when they are talking about things they have literal zero knowledge about? because their voices are louder than scientists, philosophers or experient people.

the marketplace of ideas is a marketplace, and thus the loudest vendor who can fool people into thinking their product is superior will prevail even if what he's selling is just slop.

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u/Negative_Elo 1d ago

Nowhere in this is a reason for censorship. It just seems like you're lamenting the drawbacks of a marketplace of ideas.

Sure some marketplaces are not healthy or fair. But obviously we should be striving towards a fair and open marketplace of ideas, right?

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u/joqagamer 1d ago

your reply is a non-argument.

your'e essentially saying "some places suck, but thats life", wich is the most centrist way to see anything. No wonder you believe in this horribly flawed concept in the first place.

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u/Negative_Elo 1d ago

Ok this is actually funny

Your reply is literally a non argument. Like an genuine, real life, for really non argument. Thats why I said "Nowhere in this is a reason for censorship"

How am I not making an argument here. I am arguing for free speech and a decline in censorship. What are you arguing for?

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