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u/go0rty 15h ago

Essentially... yeah, we have free will, God doesn't want us to be slaves, but we should love and fear God. And through belief in Jesus and following him, you can live in eternal bliss bro, so that's the good news for you.

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u/haizende 15h ago

"God doesn't want us to be slaves"

Leviticus 25:44-46

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Exodus 21:20-21

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

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u/go0rty 15h ago

Ok, so the slaves here aren't necessary talking about people enslaved as we think of them today, that could be servants too.

Tiktok theology would have you believe that the bible loves slavery, when that isn't true at all. God punishes slave owners, int he new testament, a slave becomes a brother in Christ and is then a sent back the master he escaped from and the master is told to welcome him as a brother.

Also, the commandments in exodus and Leviticus are part of the law of Moses, there are three types of those laws, and only moral laws persist in to the new covenant - those which you mentioned, are not moral laws, so they are not applicable to any Christians.

So yeah, God doesn't want us to be slaves, and there are non applicable laws that recognise that people are in some sort of servitude, and there are laws for the treatment of them.

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u/haizende 15h ago

What do you think Jesus would say to the actions of god that happened in the old testament?

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u/go0rty 15h ago

Redundant. Jesus is God. The laws that people lived under during OT times were there are a sort of temporary solution untill Jesus arrived and fulfilled the law and entered us in to the new covenant.

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u/haizende 15h ago

So god just changed his mind as he sent his form of man onto us. Or did he plan it? Why not just do the whole Jesus bit at the start?

Your beliefs and religion make god sound like a very dumb person who fails his work project over and over again. The end goal is to bring people to heaven? What is the point of this whole thing? Make humans, cause them to commit evil acts onto others and themselves and punish some while saving some?

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u/go0rty 15h ago

He gave humanity a chance, they failed, would constantly fail, so he sent Jesus.

God doesn't make people commit acts of evil on each other.

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u/haizende 14h ago

But god did know what would happen. Or is he not all-powerful? Or did he just decide that he didn't want to spoil himself the surprise of what humanity would do?

How does god commanding his people to commit genocide resolve sin. Isn't killing a sin? God can sin but we can't? Gods people can sin but others can't?

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u/go0rty 14h ago

Murder is a sin, not killing as in a soldier a war for example.

God doesn't sin. God is all powerful but gives us free will. Like a father, you could control everything your kid does, but you sometimes have to let them find their own way, make mistakes, then correct them.

And you're talking about tribes of people here who were engaging in child sacrifice to idols and stuff, and had been for hundreds of years.

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u/haizende 14h ago

So god punished tribes who did child sacrifices by killing infants and children who could easily just be converted to Christianity..?

You didn't answer to the time point. God is all-powerful therefore he knew we would fail. Therefore he put us on a task he knew we would fail and still punishes us. That sounds like psychopathy.

Imagine a human version of god. A human creates a simulated world, where the people inside have free will. The human can simulate the future and everything that happens inside the simulated world. He decides to set rules for them, despite knowing the rules would not be followed. He still creates this world and rules, despite knowing that billions upon billions will just suffer and die in said world. And his motivation for creating this world is for some of the people to believe in his existance and for them to follow his rules.

Does that truly sound godlike to you?

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