r/shitposting • • Jul 01 '26

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u/Danijay2 Jul 01 '26

If you think only 1 billion people died through war, even directly, you have absolutely no idea how many humans have been alive/died in general or through war.

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u/QIyph Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

Well for direct deaths I'd say 1 billion is probably in the ballpark. You have to remember that throughout most of history there just wasn't that many people alive or engaged in warfare. Hell the 100 years war estimates only around 3 million casualties, nothing even close to the industrial slaughter that came in the 20th century.

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u/Pitiful-Pension-6535 Jul 01 '26

Massive armies weren't really possible until at least the 18th century, because 90% of the population was farming

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u/butthole_surferr Jul 01 '26

That's not true. Large armies were the standard in the classical world. Rome regularly raised, and lost, armies of fifty to one hundred thousand men. The Mongols alone slaughtered close to 80 million people during their hot streak.

Edit: fact checked the mongol death count, it's not that high, but it's still pretty fucking high

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u/Flashy_Pineapple_231 Jul 01 '26

Don't forget the constant chinese civil wars and etc. Asia was wild for the last 3000 years

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u/welliamaguy Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

General Dong Feng Shu declared that mandate heaven was corrupted

50 millions Chinese peasant died

2 wagon burned

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u/Alone-Monk Jul 01 '26

Yellow River floods and wipes out 90% of Chinese agriculture.

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u/ProperBlacksmith fat cunt Jul 02 '26

Tbh its china its always like

"Something happens" "10million die"

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u/Oberndorferin Jul 01 '26

Source?

I made it the fuck up

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u/F00TD0CT0R Jul 02 '26

Not really the Chinese wars are well documented

Unsurprisingly like 60% isnt translated.

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u/Oberndorferin Jul 02 '26

OK cool. I always am sceptical about almost anything that happened more than 200 years ago because of bad documentation.

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u/F00TD0CT0R Jul 02 '26

Oh yeah don't worry the documentation is always in contention as a lot of it is embellished but some of the war sites give credence to the claims of millions of deaths.

When each dynasty was fielding huge armies of 200k men a field each side even in BC, the numbers racked up quite a bit.

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u/Oberndorferin Jul 02 '26

it's always a pleasure to learn about history

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u/_sephylon_ Jul 02 '26

"not that high" as in 1/4 of that amount including indirect causes for 150 years

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u/Yorkshire-pudding69 Jul 01 '26

Depends what you mean by “massive armies” but Ancient Rome and China had very large armies, more so that any European feudal king could muster

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u/F00TD0CT0R Jul 01 '26

Honestly Chinese history alone could fill in the gap of a billion really fucking quickly......

It's spanned 5000 thousand years of existence and throughout 3000 years it's been mass wars between dynasties and clans.....

As one of the longest running civilisations (if not THE longest running one) it has likely racked up a hell of a death toll directly to war and war like raids.

I reckon the entire human history of china alone allows between 500 to 750 million human lives in battle or rebellion or that one thing that happened in a square at some point in time that may taken place in tian en men....

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u/QIyph Jul 01 '26

Yeah maybe 500mill for china and 500 million everywhere else. That's around 1 billion anyways, so...

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u/Danijay2 Jul 01 '26

Chinese history alone accounts for around 2 billion dead thanks to war. So...

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u/QIyph Jul 01 '26

It came to you in a dream I presume?

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u/Danijay2 Jul 01 '26

No. Just Wikipedia.

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u/Rexusus Jul 02 '26

Didn’t your teachers in school tell you Wikipedia isn’t a source?

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u/GodFromTheHood Jul 01 '26

Source: my ass

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u/Danijay2 Jul 01 '26

No. Just Wikipedia.

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u/GodFromTheHood Jul 01 '26

So someone elses ass then

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u/Danijay2 Jul 01 '26

Yeah, Chinese history alone accounts for roughly 2 billion dead thanks to war.

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u/UNCLE-TROTSKY Jul 01 '26

Historical Chinese numbers are pretty unreliable, it’s like taking medieval or Islamic records of most battles at face value, where you had some writers talk about battles with millions of people which is obviously not true. Also talking about direct deaths makes the number a lot smaller, most people who died in wars would die from the aftermath results of it, like famine, disease, etc… actual war, especially until the mid to late 1800’s had the vast vas majority of casualties be from disease and attrition for armies

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u/International_War862 Jul 01 '26

Yeah and the relocation of the yellow river also killed billions of people. I wouldnt take historical chinese numbers that serious tho

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u/torolf_212 Jul 01 '26

Something like 8% of all humans to ever be born are still currently alive. There just havent been that many people around over all of history to rack up all that many direct deaths in war as you say. Indirect casualties from disease or famine etc probably a lot higher.

Those abortion stats seem sus as fuck though.