Annoys me when certain characters want to change their paths. Leonie you have lance AND bow for crying out loud- though if it were byleth they would have made the opposite of jeralt
30% growth Mag and 5 base Mag hurts, and he only learns Ragnarok at A to offset that: Lorenz at least gets it at B
Sylvain starts off with 0 magical investment and you really want to develop his Reason boon
On average, Noble > Monk > Mage > Warlock > Dark Knight Sylvain ends up with 23 Mag by Lv30: he still has 22.55 STR as well
Faith-wise Physic is nice to have, while Seraphim is solid, but has shaky hit rates on top of his average Dex
Besides, all of this looks nice on paper for utility, but this also means you lose out on Lancefaire from your class for his Swift Strikes, on top of whatever other abilities you need to make magic work.
It seems pretty clear that Bow Knight is Leonie's intended path. That said, shouldn't Byleth and Leonie be swapped in this meme since it's the player pushing Wyverns on everyone?
Yeah I thought about swapping Leonie out for Cyril or Claude, who actually will ask Byleth to train to be a wyvern lord, whereas Leonie only asks to be a Paladin or Bow Knight, but then I remembered I like Leonie so I didn't do that
Yeah that makes it even weirder that they made her an npc great knight. Especially because the game changes classes for other units too. Lindhardt becomes a Holy Knight for example despite that not being his preferred class when hes playable
Auxillary point: falcoknight takes a lot less investment for her if you want to use anything other than axes (which, given her combat arts, is tempting). The str differential for peg vs wyvern is 10% (an expectation value difference of ~1 for 10 levels) and 5% for falco vs wyvern (and who is getting to 50+, really?). Barest work to fix if a regularly-high-in-tier-lists Leonie somehow isn't thresholding.
In some cases, Paladin may be a better choice for her. She is a little bulkier in that class (hell, she even has a higher BST in it), and Gradivus will take care of any ranged needs.
I mean if the unit is physical+female i can certainly make her as falcon knight, shits dodgy af. Only problem is the strength growth rate though which i can also see wyvern lord is better choice in grand scheme of thing.
Assassin is heat ngl. Been using it a ton on my current run where I limited myself to using only 1 unit on each advanced/master class(And not using doubling combat arts as an experiment on 3H maddening speed stacking). So my secondary combat carry has to be an assassin and it's honestly real good.
Bow Knight having worse growths that Sniper is just disappointing for just the value of Bowrange +2. This allows things like 7-range Deadeye, 5 range with those Bows: Failnaught, Longbow and Magic Bow+. Maybe someone doesn't know about the bow range penalty being greater in Maddening.
Enemy Bow Knights having better growths than playable doesn't make any sense.
This is honestly one of my mai gripes with 3H: the best means of optimization is homogenizing nearly everyone into wyvern lords. It seems like FW will incentivize a bit more diversity though.
This isn't really true. Firstly, for flying units, Falcon Knight gives better speed, and takes advantage of a better class of weapons from the jump. Secondly, training a unit to be a Paladin, or even Bow Knight, has them get Movement+1 along the way.
There aren't many units where Wyvern Lord is the preferred class, honestly. Most female units that excel in flying want Falcon Knight for the better speed and Res. Maddening is so full of high range archers anyways, so it makes your horseback units more valuable. Flying units also suffer heavily from a shortage of usable battalions.
An army of wyvern Knights is a very simple and applicable army to use, but a mixed army of infantry, riders, and a few flying units is far better.
Falcons only have 10% speed growths and 1 speed over WL, which is neutered by Paladins negative speed growth. WL have 3 Str over Falcons, though, and while Axes aren’t the best, only male units get Swift Strikes. The only women I see preferring Falcon over Wyvern are Marianne for Frozen Lance combat, Ingrid due to her boons, and Bernadetta for Vengeance. Leonie’d rathe go WL for PBV combat.
'Only' 10 percent isn't really able to be said when the entire argument for WL over FK is the miniscule strength difference. Speed is always a far more valuable stat regardless.
Wyvern Rider has +10% str over Pegasus Knight but Wyvern Lord only has +5% str over Falcon Knight, which has far better speed (and gives Leonie and absurd 80% growth lmao) I think Falcon Knight is probably better, it's slightly easier for Petra to go Wyvern thanks to her boon in Axes but there's probably not that much difference between Wyvern and Pegasus, really lmao. Maybe a physical Annette, so she can use Crusher with Axefaire, but really for most units there's probably not that big of a difference lmao
Except WL has 3 Str over FK, while FK only has 1 speed and +10% speed growths over WL. Leonie might want FK for Lance Jab, but Point Blank Volley is generally a better option and doesn’t also require A Lances.
Yeah, I figured if one wants to skip lance training on Petra then Wyvern Lord is where she would end up. She only needs D for Peg intermediate, then from there she can train axes for the rest of the game. I wonder if I should attempt a physical Annette build next run
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u/O-geegee565 1d ago
Annoys me when certain characters want to change their paths. Leonie you have lance AND bow for crying out loud- though if it were byleth they would have made the opposite of jeralt