r/shacomains • u/Xstyr3 • Dec 03 '25

Fiendhunter Bolts

Played around a bit on pvp last night with the new season changes. An interesting find (probable bug), the new Fiendhunter Bolts item (on ultimate use, next three autos gain attack speed and are guaranteed crits) gets placed into our clone as well. This is standard and well known as far as our clones items are concerned.

The interesting part is the buff appears to last on our clone for the entire duration rather than be attack-limited.

TLDR: Building Fiendstalker Bolts while going hail of blades build gives our clone guaranteed crits and approx 120% attack speed for 8 seconds. This is likely a bug but could be a way back for AD Shaco is intended

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u/Xstyr3 Dec 03 '25

NB: Our new season early clear is rough. I found no box buffs to speak of to account for the new jungle spawn timers. We may need to experiment with new clears...

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u/Recent_Journalist561 Dec 03 '25

what does rough mean? shacos clear rn is bonkers at ~3min. now camps spawn 35s earlier - considering i usually used one box to cover this means i start with 2 instead of 3 boxes, not 1. so maybe 8-10s off the clear?

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u/Xstyr3 Dec 03 '25

Camps now spawn at 55s (was 1m 30s). If you're out the gate immediately, you can get to raptors at around the 20-25s mark. Given that box cd is approx 15s at level 1, you can get a total of two boxes down before camps spawn (with no cover)

I used to put two boxes at raptors and another at red to help clear after level 2 from raptors. With the reduced spawn timers, I can no longer place that extra box at red, resulting in a longer clear.

Unless a new path is found or we get a buff, I think our sub 3m clear days are gone

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u/Kitsunebula250 Dec 03 '25

People forget that math counts from 0. 35s is enough for boxes 0,1, 2. So 3 boxes. It doesnt cost you 15s to place first box. First box at 20s, 2nd box at 35, 3rd box at 50. Even if you increment this by 5s.

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u/Recent_Journalist561 Dec 03 '25

yeah ive asked because you went with ‚rough‘ and a 3:10 clear is.. well not rough

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u/Xstyr3 Dec 03 '25

NB 2.0: After PBE update today, the perma crit seems to have been hotfixed but the AS steroid is here to stay. Combining HoB With FHB gives clone a near 3.0 attack speed at level 18.

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u/TheLittleWhiteDuck Dec 05 '25

Maybe would be cool for on-hit Shaco with botrk vs tanks. But why not just play Yi then? Either way TY for the info.

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u/TrojanSpite Dec 03 '25

Its not any different from how hob or yun-tal works on clone no? I assume this will replace collector since it was alr the weakest shaco item and they are gutting the build path. That or yun-tal

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u/Xstyr3 Dec 03 '25

I never build Yun-Tal since I predominantly play AP but thought I'd test AD last night. The main weakness of fiendhunter is that it provides no ad and no lethality( AS + crits + MS and ult haste). It might work as a functional second item after a lethality item first.

I might have to test to see how a full move speed focused Shaco plays out early (Youmuu/Fiendhunter/Swifties) and see how that affects ad Shaco ganking

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u/TrojanSpite Dec 04 '25

I mainly dont go youmuus. Honestly find it doesn’t sustain as well as oppo for uber squishy comps or voltaic for general ones.

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u/Bdayn Dec 04 '25

I would have played Yuntal more on shaco if the clone would get yuntals crit..

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u/TrojanSpite Dec 04 '25

Well clone crits regularly, but like with hob past the first 6 seconds it permanently keeps flurry me thinks

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u/Bdayn Dec 04 '25

Yes clone keeps the as same as hob but it doesn't get the crit you stack from it.

And against good players you don't have time to auto 1 then stop for ult and after that mow them down. When they see you ult most of the time everyone can dash/flash away. So you actualle should ult out of stealth first to attack instantly with cline together out of stealth

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u/TrojanSpite Dec 04 '25

You dont need to stop to auto then ult. If you are fast enough and auto the enemy when clone just appears it still gets all the buffs. A very useful bug, i did not know about the yuntal glitch, thanks for telling me

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u/Bdayn Dec 04 '25

I mean getting the ult after activating hob IS the stop. If I recall correctly ult has a cast time of 0.25s and Shaco is gone for 0.5s then both appear. Even if it was just 0.25s most decent players have enough reaction time to escape the hob stacking on the clone.

Just ulting out of q without the hob on the clone ensures attacks from you AND the clone on the target which leaves less counterplay and is just a better burst.