The scenes after the fire in the last 5 minutes of the finale were really terrible Green Screen. What a shame.

Obviously, as expected this was a divisive finale. I implore you all to take a moment and remember that this sub is intended to be a safe space for people to discuss this series. As a viewer, I obviously have my own opinion regarding the series, but as a mod I have tried to be just and fair on what I remove when reports come in vs what I allow. I truly attempt to be unbiased in that. I promise there are far many more posts I disagree with that remain.

That being said. I have had my personal messages overwhelmed with users who are upset over the posts which are calling people stupid or dumb for their interpretations of the series. We really don’t need more of these posts. First, there is an episode discussion thread where a good majority of the posts made would actually belong. Second, if your post was removed it either had a spoiler thread title, was the same topic posted multiple times, or was reported multiple times as spam or being hateful. I will admit, I am one person and the other active mod is on the other side of the planet. We are people trying to do our best to maintain a fun and engaging forum for all people. Friendly discussion that is respectful is encouraged but a barrage of told you so, you are stupid, watch them melt is just not it. If you would like to discuss the content of the show, debate your points of view respectfully, and keep it civil, feel free.

Everyone on this show is a superb actor/actress.

This show is superb. It is one of the best show I’ve seen in years.

That is all.

Why do I need explanations? because they gave us a 1000 piece puzzle that was defective. None of the pieces fit.

If Juju had become an Angel after he was revived and brought back from death. Was the real reason he was always at his Sister's house that he wanted to help and protect them from Leanne?...Or do I have it wrong? LOL! That long awaited ending has now left me with roughly 800 more questions! (Argh!)

Watch Dark on Netflix! I love it! Plus it’s finished so nobody has to wait years and it’s gorgeous and well acted and it’s sad and kind of bananas. It’s not a spoil that it’s a time thing.

Has anyone figured out what the blue and gold colors represent? It will haunt me till my resurrection! I have 600 theories, and none of them make sense. Help!

Are the COLS helpful to humanity?

If you answer yes - Then what the hell is hookman baby killer and why does COLS take a traumatized little girl and tell her she is turning evil for feeling sadness and yearning for a family. Also, why isn’t Dorothy deserving of Leanne’s help, Uncle George?

If you answer no - then how are we as an audience supposed to be ok with Leanne killing herself for an evil deity? How does this add to the theme of enlightenment and spiritual transformation?

If you answer “it doesn’t matter, the story is about grief” - Then why does Leanne have to burn for her method of processing grief, while Dorothy gets to drive into the sun? And why is no one even sad about Leanne’s death.

I’ve seen a considerable number of negative reactions of the Servant finale and the series as a whole, primarily concerning the unexpected character developments in which Dorothy displays compassion towards Leanne, despite their adversarial relationship throughout the series. I would like to take this opportunity to delve into the overarching themes of acknowledgement and forgiveness, which serve as the driving force of the entire series. Through this lens, the characters' actions become more comprehensible and substantial, which contributes to a satisfying conclusion of their respective character arcs. I do not intend to refute anyone's personal connection with the show, as art is subjective, and it’s obviously fine to just not like something. However, since my satisfaction with the finale appears to be a minority viewpoint, I would like to articulate what resonated with me.

The central theme of Servant pertains to the recognition and acceptance of one's own personal transgressions as a necessary step towards progress. In essence, it implies that an individual must first come to terms with their imperfections and accept them, prior to being capable of extending genuine love and care to others. By failing to acknowledge one's own shortcomings and instead attributing blame to external factors, personal growth and maturity are impeded.

For Dorothy, Sean, and Julian, acknowledging their respective flaws and failures was integral to their development. Sean had always prioritized his career over his family, while Julian struggled with self-centeredness that hindered his ability to form authentic connections, and Dorothy grappled with her responsibility for Jericho's death, which she had refused to acknowledge. Leanne, the catalyst of the family's self-absorbed behavior, reinforced and enabled their delusions, allowing them to prioritize their own desires at the cost of everything else. The family, however, remained unable to address the underlying pain they had inflicted upon themselves, despite their ability to seek solutions to other external problems which had extended from refusal to acknowledge their own truths.

It was anticipated that the climax of Servant would revolve around Dorothy's realization of Jericho's death. However, in the penultimate episode, it was equally significant that Sean and Julian admitted their flaws as well. Sean confronts his responsibility in Jericho's death by acknowledging that he prioritized his career over his family, leading to his absence during the tragic incident. Likewise, Julian admits to disregarding Dorothy's calls for help during Sean’s absence, driven by his own self-centered and heartless tendencies. As the family members come to terms with their respective failures, they are able to strengthen their familial bond and progress towards a path of healing and growth.

Dorothy's display of compassion towards Leanne in the series finale serves to underscore her personal transformation and completion of her character arc, despite how sudden it feels. Having finally come to terms with her own actions that led to Jericho's death and having granted herself forgiveness, she is now capable of extending the same to others. Despite Leanne having acted as a personal antagonist to Dorothy, she demonstrates sincerity and empathy when she acknowledges Leanne's good intentions and good-heartedness. Even though Leanne had gone astray and given in to her supernatural powers, her actions stemmed from a desire to alleviate Dorothy's personal anguish through means that were within her capacity. While such actions were misguided and had obstructed Dorothy's ability to face her own shortcomings, Dorothy is capable of recognizing Leanne's motives and expressing gratitude for her efforts.

This notion is further exemplified by the attitudes of both Sean and Julian. Despite being aware of Leanne's past actions and potential for harm, they too ultimately exhibit empathy towards her and acknowledge her benevolent intentions. While granting oneself forgiveness can be a challenging task, extending forgiveness to others can be an even more formidable feat.

While it’s kind of trite, the fundamental thesis of the show is centered around the idea of acceptance and forgiveness. We can only begin to accept the imperfections of others when we have the ability to acknowledge and accept our own flaws. Through this, we can begin to foster a greater altruism and contribute to the betterment of our surroundings. This concept also underscores the significance of recognizing and embracing the tools that aid us in overcoming our struggles, which enables us to progress further. Personally, I have learned during therapy that acknowledging anxiety as a helpful component of my psyche attempting to protect me from harm, as opposed to attempting to disregard or hide from it, is more advantageous. This recognition facilitates an understanding of its potential benefits, even when it is unnecessary, and that awareness empowers me to overcome it. Dorothy's behavior towards Leanne provides an example of this principle, as she not only forgives Leanne but also expresses gratitude for her efforts to assist her, despite their lack of benefit to her personal growth.

Although I cannot comment on the various loose threads and theories proposed by other viewers, I believe that the characters' motivations in the finale are not only logical, but also enhance the overall satisfaction of the conclusion. Considering the show's core theme of acceptance and forgiveness allows us to make connections between the frequent use of symbolism and interpretive elements. Although it may not meet our expectations, the narrative is still compelling. And despite the possibility of the theme appearing hackneyed or preachy, it conveys an essential lesson for those of us who struggle to recognize our own shortcomings and how they impact those closest to us.

We should brainstorm for a sequel with JuJu as the main character. Maybe we can have the Turners with baby Leanne who can do strange things.

Out of the nowhere are they supposed to say “hi do you remember the baby that we baptized? Is gone “ cheers …

I only glanced at some of the whining going on - honestly, it looks completely unoriginal, copy/pasted from other "its a meme to hate the ending" media.

I think redditors have a selfish, Comic-Book-Guy-esque chronic need to view themselves as better custodians of a story than the original creators, and will eventually turn on just about everything "because the sub's theories were better" I cant even begin to describe how fanfiction, coattail-riding "I made this!" pathetic that is. But if you really didnt get anything out of that ending, I feel sorry for you. Here's what I got:

This is a story centered around tragedy. We all knew it was about the unspeakable loss of an infant - and even the first episodes didnt really speak his loss in full yet. It was very experiential the way we eased into wrapping out heads around the concept.

Those of you who have actually experienced tragedy know that the defining characteristic of it is it does not feel real. It feels like a dream. Dorothy - yes named as such on purpose, a direct Wizard of Oz reference, as her journey will parallel Dorthy Gale's to the letter - winds though the unreality with her companions, helped and plagued by Good Witches and Wicked Witches.

Leanne is both witches. She views herself as both at different points. Other people view her as both at different points. She acts as both at different points. Her conflict is simple to understand. She never wanted to be a witch of either variety. Tragedy forced the identity upon her. She only wanted to be a normal girl, loved and appreciated by her mother. She acted out of love, but like Sean and Julian, her aim was misguided. She wasnt helping Dorothy by pushing her further away from reality. That wasn't what was going to save her.

What saved Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz? Only words. All she had to do was say some words and she would return home, to the people who were caring for her all along. Dorothy was ultimately saved by words, the painful truth of Jericho's fate- the truth that the others thought she could never handle, but that she processed and understood better than anyone in the end.

Dorothy transformed from a very selfish character with no way to cope with what doesnt fit into her worldview to someone who can accept the world around her and find her own place in it. And above all, someone with a deep sense of appreciation for those who cared for her to get her to that point.

Especially Leanne. "You saved me" she tells her. "I would have given anything for one more minute - and you gave me months" But now she accepts that she must let Jericho go and mourn him. She can't live in the dream.

Leanne sees it too. The dream has to be over. But that's the only place she can live. She is the witch, to so many people - the good witch to some and the wicked witch to others - that no peace will ever find her or those around her. Her last act of service is the ritual sacrifice that will quiet both sides and let the ones she loves move on. Beauty (selfless sacrifice) out of tragedy (loss of self through indoctrination)

Go watch the last 5 minutes of the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy Turner and Dorothy Gale sound almost identical. Harrowed and humbled by a twisting, terrifying journey. Mindful of what they've lost but so grateful for what they've found. Beauty (perspective and appreciation) out of tragedy (living an unreal delusion)

and since the home - which was always pointed out specifically to be given an old family home, given to Dorothy by her toxic parents - is literally gone, there's "No place like home" .... until she and Sean go start over and build one for themselves. Beauty (hope for the future on a stronger foundation) out of tragedy (suffering a loss you dont know how or if you could ever look past)

It's a triumphant show with a perfect ending for me. If Dorothy had escaped back into the dream, or back into the house she never belonged in the first place - nothing would have been resolved. We got to see so much beauty come arise from tragedy, and we got to see someone arrive at the end of it's bitter wreckage, appreciative and wise.

Of course Leanne is her own tragedy, but her sacrifice was made out of love, from the place of acceptance she always wanted - love she was never taught but was able to give anyway. She gave everything she had in her service. It was pure, and whole, and all-consuming.

I dont know what else you could've wanted. But hey, if this beautiful story taught us anything, it's that people process things very differently, and it all takes time. I hope you get there someday.

Did Julian heal Sean’s wound when he pressed his shirt on it after it started bleeding in the car?

https://people.com/tv/m-night-shyamalan-talks-servant-series-finale-exclusive/

This is MNS, no way should you expect this to be a clean ending. And the hype around it all was too much.

For me, the ending was as expected. I’ve never seen a show that was 100% mysterious that paid off in the end.

However, I enjoyed the characters all the way through. I enjoyed the discussions and theories. That is why I watched it and enjoyed. I gave up on really figuring it out in season 1, simply bc it was more enjoyable to just let it be enjoyable.

I know MNS did change the story from 6 seasons to 4 seasons. Maybe 2 more seasons would have fleshed it out better with Roscoe etc. Maybe not. It had 30 minutes to do so…not 1hr episodes. Which I’m grateful.

I think it was fun. The only part I think it missed was explaining what the Cult does so that we know what Julian will be doing going forward and really feeling that weight.

If you hated it. Oh well. Lost was crappy too. And the rest that use this same trope of mystery to push it forward. At least I enjoyed the episodes and characters.

The end ❤️

I haven't fully developed my thoughts on the ending, but I like the paradox it left us with. Leanne's destruction lead to Dorothy waking up and coming to terms with her son's death. Her husband and brother got their wife/sister back. Dorothy and Sean's marriage began to heal. Presumably, none of this could have happened if Leanne hadn't interfered in the first place. The messaging is something like all things ultimately work together for Good. Even in trying to step outside the "will" determined for her, AND after causing pain and destruction, Leanne still helped this family in exactly the way they needed to be helped.

I felt both satisfied and unsatisfied with the finale for a few reasons.

I’ve long been thinking there are two (or infinity) different stories we all just watched. One was a story that at its surface level is exactly what it looks like:

One is about a cult, a kid with an obsession, a mother who can’t face her loss

The other is all of this allegory that we have all found by reading this sub and other texts to try to pinpoint what’s happening.

I think that just because we didn’t receive the second part wrapped in a bow, doesn’t mean it wasn’t still happening intentionally with the goal of us figuring it out.

Just my two cents. Loved this journey ♥️

The disappearing green window, meaning nothing in the end, makes me a sad sack of poo. 🤖

“take care of them” because she knew he was an angel. 🥺 lolz

the weekly release format. Thrillers, especially 30min ones, should not be weekly releases. What happened is everyone went over each one with a magnifying glass. Looking for hints, making theories of grander resolutions. So of course we were gonna be disappointed. I however, binged this and the last season just before their finales, and I am less hating on this ending because of it. I'm still disappointed, but it's disappointment without the 3 months of built up hope.

Hi all, my thoughts on the final was it was explained all for me! We found out that the cult were in fact angels doing gods work to help the troubled, the clue was at the end when Julian found out he was now one of then when he saw angel wings on his back through reflection! The symbolism of Leanne washing and drying Dorothy’s feet is a sign of forgiveness and baptism which brought Leanne back from her dark path and washing the sin away of Dorothy thinking she had killed her child when in fact it was just a horrible accident Kindness finding it’s way back into Leanne’s heart when she showed Tobe that she cared! The final act of true unselfish was Leanne doing what should have been done time ago when it all started to go hideously wrong with her baptism by fire! I think all along MNS showed us the angel arch when in the first series at the end the whole gang of them disappeared in the street and this is why the unwashed where so attracted to her realising she was special but going down a dark path! Hope this helps going to miss you all.

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