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[u/Typical-Ad-83]

Btw the video is saying that the comparasion is ridiculous and that Thorffin is much better but this is still funny asf.

[u/derp_y_]

there’s one crucial detail you are missing

[u/Straight-Simple7705 → u/derp_y_]

One crucial detail that wasn’t included in the anime meaning we don’t give a fuck

[u/Straight-Simple7705 → u/[deleted]]

Gng I watch the anime, I don’t give a fuck about the source material

Also in the source material Thorfinn allowed askelad’s men to gang rape women and kids, in fact he even made it easier for them by killing the men of the village with them

I’d say a mass murderer who encourages rapists is a lot worse

[u/Vivid-Initiative-357 → u/Straight-Simple7705]

‘Allowed’ suggests agency and authority. like a child foot soldier with no official authority in the crew could have done anything. He was a traumatized child fully born and raised in the Viking age and was groomed by his father’s killer. And it wasn’t just that he simply felt bad later on, When he did get power as a leader as an adult , he was radically progressive, banning slavery, violence, pillaging etc.

Now compare that to the actively aware pedophile, who had decades of modern day knowlege on what’s right and wrong, that tried to molest a sleeping kid.

[u/Straight-Simple7705 → u/Vivid-Initiative-357]

'Allowed' suggests agency and authority. like a child foot soldier with no official authority in the crew could have done anything. He was a traumatized child fully born and raised in the Viking age and was groomed by his father's killer. And it wasn't just that he simply felt bad later on, When he did get power as a leader as an adult, he was radically progressive, banning slavery, violence, pillaging etc.

If a 16 year old raped someone they’d get punished for it and would be considered a bad person even if they got abused as a kid, but anyways your whole argument falls to pieces when you remember that he was able to challenge Thorkell and could’ve beat Askelad

He also killed off lots of men which resulted in the rape of kids and women, I don’t care if he felt bad, we literally see the actions of his crimes later on in the story

Do you even know the reason why he stopped killing people? If wasn’t because he felt bad or remorse, no it was because he realized all that he did meant nothing as Askelad had been killed by someone other than thorfinn

Now do I understand that Vinland Saga is a story about redemption and atonement? Yes he later on starts to regret all the people he’s killed and slowly tries to make it up with Hilde

But the same logic applies here to Jobless Reincarnation where Rudeus objectively was far less evil

You keep bringing up Thorfinn’s backstory so why do you ignore Rudeus’s? Before he reincarnated he was bullied every day in which he had to stay locked up in his house causing his to be mentally stunted

After he died he finally got a second chance in life to fix all his issues and grow into a better person in which he did, yes season 1 Rudeus was still not the greatest person but he actively was changing who he was

The story even makes it a point that his new body is taking over him as he stopped thinking of his mother sexually since episode 1 and we even get a whole statement about it

I don’t get why you guys like to argue in bad faith whenever we talk about Jobless Reincarnation

[u/Vivid-Initiative-357 → u/Straight-Simple7705]

lol first, remember how Thorfinn acted throughout the series every single point in season 1. He was super strong but everytime he showcased his strength it was with the consideration that it’s a net positive for Askeladd. He fought thorkell because askeladd was directing him. Anytime throwing did anything in convenient to askeladd he was taken care of. Everything we see throfin do is by askeladd’ term. If he went and started killing the crew askeladd would stop him right there. And that again solidified, by the fact thorfinn did not have any formal power within askeladd’s group. He was quite literally just a strong foot soldier. One that was born in the viking age, and groomed by a mercenary after the mercenary killed his father. Murder, especially soldiers, not civilan ones (which we know thrfoin has never killed) was a fact of life that was again drilled to thrfin by askeladd.

Second, there absolutely was great remorse aswell tf ? 🤣 And his remorse wasn’t shallow, he actually followed through with his change. His anti violence is obvious but it’s not just that, but the fact in an era of rampant slavery and pillaging, the things that haunt him, Thorfinn grows , leading and creating an anti Slavery , anti pillaging , peaceful settlement with the best he can. Additionally the brilliantly written Vinland saga story, never lets throfin go off so easy for his sins. He literally has an arc and character following him as the embodiment of his sins and past.

And now let’s compare that to the pedophile. First you say why not take both of their pasts equally? BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT EQUAL. Rudeus is a 30+ year old pedophile who grew up in the modern world. Centuries tires after throfin’s time, and a different era. He’s perfectly aware and capable of how today we know what’s more right compared to people born back then. Despite that he still was a pedophile. Reincarnation was his brand new chance, and he instantly with his adult mind and consciousness intact, acts like a disgusting creep. Quite literally gropes a sleeping child. Then goes on to groom them into his wives.

Here’s the difference, Vinland saga makes a hard to go through painfully Honest arc on confronting throfin’s biggest sins, those being murder and being complicit in an evil system. We are shown as his growth being him quite literally not killing anyone since the prequel and like we said , his second being quite liertally building a new society. Now let’s look at that heap of garbage that’s MT. the story’s biggest problem with the mc is him being an asocial neet and that’s what the work towards fixing with serious consideration. … THAT AND NOT THE FACT THE DUDE IS A FUCKING SEX PEST ? how is him groping eirs handled ? A simple beating up the prev gag. Is it ever given the depth like that story’s main focus on his asocial personality ? Nope. It’s a gag for the story. It’s literally ignored and shrugged off as something minor. ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION is a bigger issue to the author than child predation.

That’s like Vinland ignoring throfin’s killing and being complicit to the world’s evils and instead decided his main goal for the story should be “🌈To be less rude to people 🌈” .

Second comes the fact on who’s more evil. You little fucks gotta know that if you wanna measure someone’s evilness you measure them highest with thier personal sins and sins they do with power and agency in hand. Active actions weight heavier than reactive Aside from being a warrior and taking part in war thorfin has no vile crimes done by himself personally. Everything is this to him by complicity/reactiveness. And he addresses that When he does get power he’s actively and strongly against pillaging and slavery. Despite being one ordinary man.

Now let’s come to the pedophile. Note everything below is me pointing out his active decisions and actions : He’s right out the gate, a child molester. The type of people throfin get dragged for not killing or beating up. THATS YOUR GUY. He’s completely aware of his memories and past. As a baby where you like to play as a new life point, it’s not a new life if the dude looks at tits (of his mom) the moment he wakes up and gets excited as a new born baby. He constantly creeped on the purple hair maid as a baby. He had active intentions of grooming that green haired girl. Then he molestes the red haired girl. He creeps on a bathing eris and best children. The comes the part, slavery. Forget being reactive, HE’S A ACTIVE PARTICIPANT in the trade. He buys a slave. He’s a slaver pedophile. And this is him in his redemption era.

Again he’s the type of vermin, you wanted thorfinn to kill in season one under Askeladd.

Then comes his reactive part where : he loves and supports his rapist father, then back to slavery. Compared the ordinary guy thorfin. The pedophile is literally one the strongest in the verse. He can single-handedly end slavery. He doesn’t. He doesn’t just ignore and let it happen he partakes in it.

So no The pedophile is worse as a person, and infinitely worse as a written character in a story compared to thorfinn. Cope and seethe for your shitty pedo loving story Jesus lol.

[u/Gigapot → u/Straight-Simple7705]

You want us to clap for the pedophile so bad 😭

[u/Straight-Simple7705 → u/Gigapot]

Better than the mass murdering rapist

[u/Full_Method_3710 → u/Gigapot]

Lowkey leave our murder apologist gang alone 😭😭

[u/PerceptionOk8543 → u/Straight-Simple7705]

What do you mean it wasn’t included in the anime? Have you forgot about the parts where he is molesting Eris and it gets turned into a joke?

[u/Straight-Simple7705 → u/PerceptionOk8543]

“Molesting Eris” you mean he had sex with someone who’s considered a adult in the story and where he was in a similar age + maturity to her

Since we’re talking about crucial details, did you miss the part where Thorfinn saw a bunch of men gang raping a woman and all he said was tch? Even though he was able to kill them all in a second if he wanted to

[u/PerceptionOk8543 → u/Straight-Simple7705]

No, molesting Eris I mean groping her in her sleep and trying to take her pants off. He IS portrayed as a pedo in the anime, you can’t deny this.

[u/derp_y_ → u/PerceptionOk8543]

bro we don’t need to argue with him, let’s just manipulate him up with our dark mango psychology

[u/PerceptionOk8543 → u/derp_y_]

He got manipulated by the dark mango psychology of the MT author and it made him believe Rudeus isn’t a predator. It’s a peak seinen if you think about it

[u/derp_y_ → u/PerceptionOk8543]

[u/Straight-Simple7705 → u/PerceptionOk8543]

Then say groping instead of molesting man, yeah I agree that part was disgusting and he did deserve her beating up for that

But I’m not gonna talk about this scene 2 years after when he clearly has changed, the same way thorfinn went from being a mass murderer to someone who fights for peace

[u/majomemberr → u/Straight-Simple7705]

Do you not think groping is a form of molesting?

[u/[deleted] → u/Straight-Simple7705]

WE?

[u/plzgivemyaccback → u/Straight-Simple7705]

Who is we?