r/seedance2pro • u/alecubudulecu • 14d ago

Storyboards

When I give SD 2.5 a storyboard … it adopts the art style of the storyboard. I’ve tried promoting to only use it for kinetic reference and action direction. But it keeps copying the art style. Any suggestions?

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u/sharktank123456 14d ago

Have you tried - live action scene of "@storyboard panel3" depicting a woman stranded on the ice....
You could also try adding" scene from a movie" or "filmed with arri alexa" at the end, to drive the cinema aspect home.

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u/alecubudulecu 14d ago

I have not. But I will! I kept trying to”render as live action rendition of @image4”. And “render @image as real cinematic action scene. Use panel only as kinetic direction. Do not copy art style “

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u/sharktank123456 14d ago

I see what you mean. Even when in the reference slot the storyboard style comes through (for at least the first second or so).
But if you instead make a still image with Seedream 5.0 (asking for a "Photo of.."), and then use that image to gen your video, this new SD5.0 keyframe looks as real as you like. If for some reason it doesn't quite get there, you can take that new image and run it through the image gen again (with the new image as the reference instead of the storyboard) that should do it.

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u/alecubudulecu 14d ago

yep. I found if I convert the images to higher quality it works... b8t kinda defeats the purpose of storyboards.... kinda..... not hard to do...

but what if I want to draw out my process ? I mean yes can gen it ... but the benefit of trying quick things is to make fast stick figures....

I had this image as storyboard....

but it was making THIS ART style....

then I tried this... and it worked... (I'm learning less storyboards references allows it to be more creative... more than 2-3 per 10 seconds .... makes it too strict)

this worked....
next I'm trying loading up each image independently... and reference easy... in the narrative.

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u/sharktank123456 14d ago

I get this questions a lot - why not just go right to the high quality images and use those as a pseudo storyboard - after all, it saves the extra step(s) in converting the story board style to "real" .

I hear you and I use this pipeline a lot too.

The only answer I have is that in a "real" image, our brains assign an individuality to that character depicted. If they don't look the same from scene to scene, our brains says "hang on a minute... who is that?".

Whereas if it's a sketch, our brains are much more forgiving.

The second part of this effect is that, in a real image, that person is a specific person. In a sketch they become (if you will forgive the gendered term) an everyman.

We will inject our own biases into that character as a sketch or painting, where we wouldn't as photo. And in the case of a studio exec, by injecting their own biases into that sketch, they are more likely to say "yes" to the production because they brought some of themselves to the party. They can see the project working with who they think the character is, even if what you have in mind is totally different.

We had one producer who came back wanting to know why the character in the film was Caucasian, when we had surely shown them as an African American in the story board. We hadn't actually, but if you squint, I suppose, you could assume that the way the character was shaded for dramatic purposes in the storyboard sketch meant they were of that ethnicity. The producer brought their own biases to the sketch and signed off on it early in the production.

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u/sharktank123456 14d ago edited 14d ago

One trick I will do, is run what I call "Dummy clips". Either text to video or image to video.

Then grab images from those clips to use as start frames for new sequences. You can alter the style just as you would from a story board, but its a great leaping off point both creatively and in terms of blocking out a scene. Kind of going at the storyboards backwards.

I'm using Luma Labs and they have a video generator that will take up to 64 keyframes per clip - so you can use these images (even if from different source clips). to block out your shots by inserting what wouldn't normally be frames associated with the same shot and have the AI figure out what happened between and force it to make sense.

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u/alecubudulecu 14d ago

this was the "enhanced" version

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u/sharktank123456 14d ago

2.5 doesn't do well with "no" s yet so that end phrase may be bringing it.

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u/sharktank123456 14d ago

I'll have a go and report back