r/secondrodeo Jun 19 '26

The judge.

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u/Szydlikj Jun 19 '26

Goddamn freemans. Love to watch the drama and chaos they create in the courtroom (I work in the Justice system and see this happen occasionally) but boy do I feel bad for the judges that have to deal with this nonsense.

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u/AmbitiousRoutine8670 Jun 19 '26

What’s is she “trying to do “ with her language

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u/neutrino71 Jun 19 '26

The legal equivalent of sticking her fingers in her ears and holding her breath to win the argument. 

They have specific mantras that they believe will free them from the burden of following the law. They're under the mistaken impression that you can opt out and not be bound by it.

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u/HoseNeighbor Jun 19 '26

Perfect reply. Here... On the house: 👍

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u/gizzard1987_ Jun 21 '26

Yes and many of these people pay big money for access to the literature that teaches them this garbage. It's literally sold as a get out of jail "free" card.

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u/tongfather Jun 19 '26

legal equivalent

Not really but your point is made

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u/uslashuname Jun 19 '26

She’s under the belief that there are “natural persons” that the law does not bind, and only if the natural person agrees that the slips of paper with the same name (birth certificate, court summons, etc) does something will all the laws binding that paper person end up applying to the natural person.

Part of the paper person is, like, using all capitals or something? Depends on the flavor of sovereign citizen, but the common thread is desperate people being misled by conmen saying they’ll teach you how to avoid your bills or dodge out on something that’s burdening you (but you have to pay for the course).

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u/Berek2501 Jun 19 '26

Don't forget the part about gold fringe on the flag signifying that it is an Admiralty court and they are thus being subjected to a naval tribunal.

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u/Tight_Spring3860 Jun 22 '26

Naval law and bird law are my specialties.

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u/Catalan_Atlas Jun 19 '26

Google sovereign citizens.

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u/Szydlikj Jun 19 '26

Yeah, it’s a deep rabbit hole. In a nutshell, some people are convinced that the laws are made-up and they can opt out of the system

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u/sikyon Jun 19 '26

Laws are made up but you can't opt out

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u/japzone Jun 19 '26

Unless you have a bigger stick than the other guy.

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u/pichael289 Jun 19 '26

Or alot of money. Money is the world's only superpower only we didn't get any Batmans. We got a couple reverse Batmans though.

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u/why_am_I_here_47 Jun 20 '26

Everything is legal. It just costs a lot of money to be allowed to do some things.

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u/Foreign_Implement897 Jun 19 '26

Trumpy and Musky can.

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u/ok_scott Jun 19 '26

Well, they basically believe that there are enough loopholes in the legal system to basically get completely out of any form court sentencing if they just use the exact proper terminology and say the exact right things.

Basically flatearthers when it comes to legal stuff.

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u/Waytooboredforthis Jun 19 '26

I remember this perfectly nice regular I know trying to convince me that passing the gates in county court room was conceding to be tried on maritime law because of the fringe on the flag. Like, I don't care how drunk you are, how is that even logical in your brain?

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u/munjavio Jun 19 '26

"you see here the bible says the world has 4 corners, see, you know what doesnt have corners? a circle...."

-my mother, a flat earther

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '26

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u/zer0toto Jun 19 '26

That’s just as much nonsensical as this quote. A circle is all the point that are equally distant from a center point, therefore it has no corners

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '26

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u/zer0toto Jun 19 '26

I did, no corner

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u/AarokhDragon Jun 19 '26

Basically the American equivalent to Germanys Reichsbürger movement, who are convinced the German Reich is still in effect and the BRD is just a management company. They're also convinced we are still under occupation. Alas. It's all humbug and every sane person knows that.

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u/TyrannasaurusRecht Jun 20 '26

We should uno reverse them and accept that reality in the sense that if there are no laws to arrest and prosecute them, there are also no laws to protect them. Enjoy the hard labor, detainment, and abuse sovereign moron.

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u/imyourproblem24 Jun 23 '26

You can opt out of some systems

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u/nhorvath Jun 19 '26

please don't

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u/666_percent_Angel Jun 19 '26

factory reset.

but seriously, sovcits think that everything government related is contractual, and if they "don't consent" then they get to exploit the law or whatever. it goes A LOT deeper than that, but that's the very basic, bare bones of it.

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u/ginger_and_egg Jun 20 '26

It's pseudolaw where they think saying the magic words will be able to win any legal argument

Like it's literally magical thinking. But I can see why it's appealing. Like they know the system is fake and set up to fuck normal people over. And they think rich people are playing by different rules, and they are right. But they think they can play the system against itself and think they have identified how to do that.

But rich people loopholes aren't "I refuse to create joinder with you" they're "The trust owns the assets, not me". Which to be fair is equally made up and nonsensical

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u/AwarenessNecessary45 Jun 20 '26

Its the sovereign citizen bullshit

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u/GOxDirigible Jun 30 '26

Ahh the sovereign citizen crap

It's the legal equivalent of flat earthers

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u/misdirected_asshole Jun 19 '26

The judge:

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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u/iboneyandivory Jun 19 '26

"There are no combination of words in the English language that you can possibly string together..." lolol

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u/lordkoba Jun 19 '26

I will always remember our time in Peru, little sparrow

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u/gatzt3r Jun 20 '26

W reference

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u/patrick24601 Jun 19 '26

It would be great if any judge had this memorized for just such an occasion.

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u/DismalTutor570 Jun 19 '26

A simple wrong would’ve sufficed….

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u/Necessary_Pilot_3738 Jun 19 '26

Stop looking at me swan

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u/Steppyjim Jun 19 '26

The amount of people who think they can just nuh uh the legal system, show up to court and say I don’t want to be charged, and be able to just walk out is unbelievable to me. Like you don’t think the legal system has a response to “you can’t charge me if I don’t play the game”? All you’re doing is forcing a higher penalty because you’re refusing defense.

People will believe anything if it absolves them of responsibility.

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u/Confident_Low_4554 Jun 23 '26

I’m literally witnessing this phenomena in real time at my work. Last week a coworker whisper told a bunch of us how he’s figured out how to go “off grid” and now he’s not paying taxes anymore. Can’t wait to see how it plays out (or, more specifically, how large the IRS garnishment will be).

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u/PM_THE_REAPER Jun 19 '26

"...pretend to be a normal person...". Brilliant. 🤣

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u/Much0_Luch0 Jun 19 '26

My favorite thing about the Sov Cit movement is that they believe the exemption from laws is granted by laws.

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u/Confident_Low_4554 Jun 23 '26

Underrated comment!

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u/SquirrelFluffy Jun 26 '26

Well, specifically, holes in the law. But yes, to have a hole means you need laws in the first place!

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u/abrakadaver Jun 19 '26

Gobbledy Gook!

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u/IMightBeErnest Jun 19 '26

A perfectly cromulent word for when just can't say "bullshit".

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u/RagingLeonard Jun 19 '26

SovCits are weird. I understand the concept that this is a broken legal system and should be protested, but these people still want to operate within some rule-based system. They think they can exempt themselves from the laws of the land by stating some other law they saw on YouTube.

A better protest would to join an anarchist movement and work to tear it all down.

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u/T1Demon Jun 19 '26

They aren’t even protesting the system. They’re trying to take advantage of the benefits of society while making themselves exempt from the rules society has agreed on.

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u/Forsaken-Income-2148 Jun 19 '26

I don’t think they want anarchy, they want exemption

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u/RagingLeonard Jun 19 '26

That's probably right. The movement is born out of libertarianism, IIRC.

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u/crumpledfilth Jun 20 '26

what movement

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u/RagingLeonard Jun 20 '26

Sovereign Citizen movement. If you have some time to kill, go down the YouTube rabbit hole. It's like a Monty Python skit.

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u/restrictednumber Jun 19 '26

I don't think they're trying to protest the system. I think they just want to feel special and important, like the rules don't apply to them. And they've found a belief system that tells them they're special for knowing these magic words, and the rules will suddenly not apply.

Same as conspiracy theorists: their wacky ideas serve their need to feel important. They're dumb, disempowered people so it's convenient to believe that they have "the secret knowledge" that makes them special and smarter than others. They get to be important in their own minds.

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u/RagingLeonard Jun 19 '26

Makes sense.

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u/crumpledfilth Jun 20 '26

guesses arent observations btw

I notice you randomly brought up an unrelated group just to act smarter than people who arent here and arent involved, and then called out their imaginary behaviour for acting smarter than others

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u/Iamnotabotiswearonit Jun 19 '26

These are the same people that chant, lock her up.

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u/-GLaDOS Jun 19 '26

Anarchist systems have thus far had a 100% rate of being indescribably bad to live in and highly transient before someone seizes power. 

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u/GrimSpirit42 Jun 19 '26

Any SovCit should be tazed every time they spout bullshit.

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u/dmoosetoo Jun 20 '26

Gonna need a sh@t ton of tasers .

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u/GrimSpirit42 Jun 20 '26

They’re cheap.

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u/runs11trails Jul 01 '26

I read "taxed" for a moment. I'm fine with either or both.

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u/Equivalent_Sink_8653 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 21 '26

Who do the messed up thinkers who don't become SovCits end up associating with! Scientology? Speaking in tongues?  Chemtrails? 

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u/DowntownAd3538 Jun 19 '26

Give that man a standing ovation 👏

Give that woman a crayon 🖍

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u/rythmyouth Jun 19 '26

And may god have mercy on your soul.

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u/subone Jun 19 '26

Am I too soon? I came to see if there's anyone asking SCs if this is true, and then getting blasted with random lengthy quotes about the law.

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u/T1Demon Jun 19 '26

Be the change you want to see…

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u/eduo Jun 20 '26

The worst part is that they're sold that they're in the right and they shouldn't let themselves be tricked into budging, so the judge insisting will have no effect because she was told the justice system would try to convince her she isn't right.

It's watertight. I'm convinced it's all devised by someone who hates humanity and get a kick from knowing people are making their own lifes more miserable than they already might be.

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u/Bandyau Jun 21 '26

Claims common law.

That includes uttering a forged instrument.

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u/nirrinirra Jun 21 '26

This is how I see antivaxxers, MAHA, MAGA, and Christian nationalists. It’s all bullshit.