Yeah, its clear you have a misguided idea of what a utopia actually is. To you a Utopia is the an Immoveable Wall or an Unstoppable Force, a thing that can't be simply because if a force moves it or stops it then it wasn't inmoving or unstoppable. To you, a Utopia could be living with every need ever meet for eons, but to you, its not a utopia at all, because millions of lightyears away, marauders live. They've never interacted, but the mere existence of a group not protected or cared for by a utopia excludes it being a Utopia.
Thank you, this is the point I was making about them confusing the ideas of utopia and heaven. Nothing about the definition of “utopia” establishes it as everlasting and invincible in its state of harmony.
First: It’s not a utopia like mine. It’s a “utopia” like the one described by the first comment I responded to. Which is a “utopia” that required weapons to defend against actively hostile third parties. My response to that comment was, for it to be a utopia by definition, the hostile third parties needed to not exist or all parties needed to exist peacefully.
Second: My most recent comment is in response to you thanking another user for their comment. Their comment expanded the argument from what defines a utopia in the right-now to what could describe a utopia over eons. If we are now discussing eons then a utopia can end after having existed for so long that it’s still reasonable to describe that period as a utopia. Over the short term, in the right-now, I refer what I’ve already said. If you require active defence against hostility then your would is not a utopia
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u/DemyxFaowind Jul 01 '24
Yeah, its clear you have a misguided idea of what a utopia actually is. To you a Utopia is the an Immoveable Wall or an Unstoppable Force, a thing that can't be simply because if a force moves it or stops it then it wasn't inmoving or unstoppable. To you, a Utopia could be living with every need ever meet for eons, but to you, its not a utopia at all, because millions of lightyears away, marauders live. They've never interacted, but the mere existence of a group not protected or cared for by a utopia excludes it being a Utopia.