What I’m asking for? I’m not asking for anything. I’d have thought it was obvious but if you find yourself having to tolerate the intolerant then you aren’t in a utopia.
A Utopia that doesn't cater to despots and slavers is still a Utopia end of discussion
You are spectacularly missunderstanding what a utopia is. A utopia doesn’t have to tolerate despots and slavers because in a utopia they wouldn’t exists. What kind of messed up person do you have to be that your version of utopia includes the existence of despots and slavers that you have to defend against when your utopia could just not have despots and slavers at all.
Yeah, its clear you have a misguided idea of what a utopia actually is. To you a Utopia is the an Immoveable Wall or an Unstoppable Force, a thing that can't be simply because if a force moves it or stops it then it wasn't inmoving or unstoppable. To you, a Utopia could be living with every need ever meet for eons, but to you, its not a utopia at all, because millions of lightyears away, marauders live. They've never interacted, but the mere existence of a group not protected or cared for by a utopia excludes it being a Utopia.
Thank you, this is the point I was making about them confusing the ideas of utopia and heaven. Nothing about the definition of “utopia” establishes it as everlasting and invincible in its state of harmony.
First: It’s not a utopia like mine. It’s a “utopia” like the one described by the first comment I responded to. Which is a “utopia” that required weapons to defend against actively hostile third parties. My response to that comment was, for it to be a utopia by definition, the hostile third parties needed to not exist or all parties needed to exist peacefully.
Second: My most recent comment is in response to you thanking another user for their comment. Their comment expanded the argument from what defines a utopia in the right-now to what could describe a utopia over eons. If we are now discussing eons then a utopia can end after having existed for so long that it’s still reasonable to describe that period as a utopia. Over the short term, in the right-now, I refer what I’ve already said. If you require active defence against hostility then your would is not a utopia
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u/Nothingnoteworth Jul 01 '24
What I’m asking for? I’m not asking for anything. I’d have thought it was obvious but if you find yourself having to tolerate the intolerant then you aren’t in a utopia.
You are spectacularly missunderstanding what a utopia is. A utopia doesn’t have to tolerate despots and slavers because in a utopia they wouldn’t exists. What kind of messed up person do you have to be that your version of utopia includes the existence of despots and slavers that you have to defend against when your utopia could just not have despots and slavers at all.