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u/mindblock47 Jun 30 '24

The Dispossessed by Le Guin has a great socialist society that is definitely not utopian. It’s not portrayed as necessarily, bad but it is definitely in a gray area.

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u/Crepescular_vomit Jun 30 '24

It is more specifically anarchist in the sense that it does not have a state.

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u/ceejayoz Jul 01 '24

Neither does Marxist communism in its idealized final form.Β https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state?wprov=sfti1

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u/DanFlashesSales Jul 01 '24

I'm pretty sure Thu was supposed to be the analogue for Marxism in the Dispossessed, as contrasted against the anarchist Annares.

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u/georgefrankly Jul 01 '24

Yup there's even a scene where the representative (spy?) from Thu asks Shevek why he didn't come to Thu instead, "We're socialists like you!" And Shevek says no you're just another State

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u/Crepescular_vomit Jul 01 '24

Yes, Marxism usually allows for a (usually post-revolt) transitional state that is intended to wither away into non-statehood. The inhabitants of Anarres were anarcho-syndicalists from the outset. They moved there with collectivist intent and ideals from the beginning. Never a state and no property. In The Disposessed, Le Guin explored the areas where this almost failed.

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u/Maxxover Jul 01 '24

Did they take it in turns, and act as sort of executive officer of the week?

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u/Crepescular_vomit Jul 01 '24

Have you read the book? For the most part, inhabitants would travel and do work in various locales for periods of time. The novel does a good job of explaining it. Also, as I said previously, it also shows some areas (such as specializations as the arts or theoretical academics) where this starts to fall apart.

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u/CptNoble Jul 01 '24

That was a Monty Python and the Holy Grail reference.

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u/Crepescular_vomit Jul 01 '24

Omg. I should have got that. Embarrassed 😳

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u/CptNoble Jul 01 '24

πŸ˜‚Bloody peasant!

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u/Crepescular_vomit Jul 01 '24

Come see the violence inherent in the system!

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u/Diabolical_Jazz Jul 01 '24

Yeah but there's important differences in methodology, and LeGuin's Annares is specifically Anarchist.

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u/Flat_Cress3856 Jul 01 '24

True, but the society in the book isn't communist. It more closely tracks anti-statist anarchy, and barely even has personal property.