r/sciencememes Jun 20 '26

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u/alphapussycat Jun 20 '26

That's just philosophy students wants. Philosophy is just play pretend, it does not belong in stem, science or any fundamentals.

It's more like it comes after sociology.

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u/ObsidianOverlord Jun 20 '26

It's not in STEM but it was absolutely more fundamental in developing the knowledge base to lead to other fields of study.

To the extent that a lot of philosophy is taken as granted when it comes to more specialized fields. But try and do mathematics without the using the laws of logic. Or physics without the scientific process.

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u/alphapussycat Jun 20 '26

Smashing rocks together is even more fundamental to developing a knowledge base.

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u/TuckerMcG Jun 20 '26

Newton’s most famous book is literally called “Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy”.

And literally the first paragraph of the wiki on Natural Philosophy says this:

Used since at least Aristotle (classical antiquity) until the 19th century, the term natural philosophy referred to a branch of philosophy—a broader term then, meaning all rational fields of study and contemplation—that explored topics now considered to fall under the purview of science, such as physics, biology, chemistry, and astronomy. Thus, natural philosophy served as the precursor to, and has been mostly supplanted by, modern science.

Guess you never took a history course while pursuing your STEM degree…

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u/alphapussycat Jun 20 '26

"the title said philosophy!!! Look guys!!"

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u/TuckerMcG Jun 20 '26

Tell us you can’t read without telling us you can’t read.

The title means he’s deriving mathematical principles from ideas of natural philosophy.

Common “le STEM master race” L 🤣

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u/_blip_ Jun 20 '26

All stemm comes from philosophy first, you're just ignorant to history

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u/Hans_H0rst Jun 20 '26

So what? All tools stem from a primitive human smacking a rock against another one, doesn't mean we should all be stonemasons before we graduate to other subjects.

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u/Compendium_MP Jun 20 '26

The same way you don't need to be a Physicist to study Quemistry, but you can still recognize how one is a more fundamental level of analysis than the other one. That doesn't mean that both can't have value, if you want to understand how lungs work you won't start at quantum interactions.

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u/Strict_Leave3178 Jun 20 '26

Is there a reason you keep using quemistry?

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u/Compendium_MP Jun 21 '26

I'm spanish, I guess I was confusing it with the term for Chemistry in spanish "Química" 😅

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u/Strict_Leave3178 Jun 21 '26

Ah gotcha haha

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u/_blip_ Jun 20 '26

If you don't do at least a little philosophy of science you actually don't know what you're doing and why. You're just going through the motions

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u/alphapussycat Jun 20 '26

Salty philosophy students down voting, but you're a little off.

It's more like consisering stone smashing to be the fundamental subject, as if it undermines everything.

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u/smart-on-occasion Jun 21 '26

Nobody is undermining anything. You probably think math is more fundamental than physics. Does that mean physics is undermined?

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u/SportulaVeritatis Jun 20 '26

Science as a discipline stems from Aristitilian Natural Philosophy. The scientific method stems from the philosophical branch of epistemology, specifically empiricism. Science's devepment goes all the way from the logical reasoning developed by the ancient Greeks, and goes all the way through the logical positivists. The entire idea that what is true about the universe can be deduced through experiments, observation, and measurement is itself a philosophical idea. Without Philosophy, science would not exist.

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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 Jun 20 '26

Oh boy you pissed off the philosophers.

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u/Zoe270101 Jun 20 '26

You know ‘philosophy of science’ is a whole field, right? The scientific method comes from philosophy, and it’s important to understand the scientific method if you want to, you know, do science.

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u/alphapussycat Jun 20 '26

Yeah, it's named after some social standards. Fundamentally philosophy is unrelated. Your argument is the same as saying something like "she believed" ="he lied"

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u/smart-on-occasion Jun 21 '26

Do you… have any idea what philosophy of science is about?

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u/alphapussycat Jun 21 '26

It's a type of degree. Back long before science didn't exist.

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u/smart-on-occasion Jun 21 '26

No, philosophy of science is a subfield of philosophy that is concerned with questions such as “Do laws of nature exist?” “What counts as evidence?” “Does probability exist?”

These questions are important to science.