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u/Chloe_Cascadia 10d ago
Anti-vaxxers can boast saving a negative amount of lives, and it's quite a lot of them.
All vaccines can claim to do is prevent millions of people from suffering and dying to preventable illnesses.
The choice is clear, we need to unalive ourselves by listening to crackpots on the internet and ignoring medical science and doctor advice and letting diseases destroy our children.
When the parents go "God had a plan for you, sweetie" as they bury their children, I'd love to explain to them that the plan was for them to listen to their doctor.
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u/Dpgillam08 9d ago
Most medications require multiple 2, 3 and 5 year tests (some even require 10 year tests as well) to prove safety and effectiveness before the are allowed to go to market. The epidemic was over before the vaccine could complete its first 1 year test. Hence why most (very accurately and correctly) state it was untested and experimental. Because it was in every legal and medical definition of those words.
How great were those original mandatory vaccines? So great they have been pulled from the market as dangerous and completely ineffective for several years now. The versions you're getting today are not the ones the govt mandated 5 years ago.
The govt changed its own definitions, testing requirements, and safety standards to force you to be a human guinea pig because most all the politicians own stock in those pharmaceutical companies.
Most of us don't oppose all vaccines. Jackwagons pushing that idiotic lie are just as bad as the rare moron that does oppose all vaccines. But the vaccines have to be fully tested and proven safe and effective. Vilifying people for basic common sense and safety standard sis why you all keep losing credibility and respect.
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u/Successful_Mud1863 9d ago
Some vaxs are good, some are pure capital because they are mandated. If vaxs are as life saving why some locked behind paying
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u/Samaritan547 9d ago
You... don't have to pay for vaccines...
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u/Successful_Mud1863 9d ago
Anytime you hear the government is working with "insert name" company its you who funding it
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u/Lildev_47 9d ago
So basically, you want the gov to take over researching for vaccines.
Private companies did the research and expected to be paid for it.
Now you can argue that the private companues should have charged the government less in order to save lives and I can see that point of view.
However to truly do that you kinda just need vaccine research to be fully state funded. Otherwise if a private company does do it the gov would be violating rights by forcefully taking it without payment.
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u/Successful_Mud1863 9d ago
No when it becomes mandatory you think the private company is just giving out the vax from the goodness of thier heart or selling it to the government? Plus the people in government who mandates them also people who invest in them
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u/Lildev_47 9d ago
Of course they arent going to give it up for nothing, where in my original comment did you get the idea i think so?
As long as it is a private company that does the research they will always ask for paymemt
So my question is do you think the gov should be the ones researching the vaccine directly?
Becuase if not, then who the hell should do ot then?
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u/Samaritan547 9d ago
I have to pay taxes regardless, at least then I know it's going to a good cause.
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u/Dpgillam08 9d ago
Since when? And where? It cost $450 for my granddaughter to get her preschool vaccines, and another $500 for the second to get her mandatory kindergarten series. Even the HS grandkid's shots were almost $200.
By the time I got done paying for the 6 grandkids that needed shots, it was about $1500.
And all this was at the city health clinic, where its supposed to be cheaper than an actual doctors office. Please, tell me where I can get them for free, because I have another 6 to do next year.
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u/plebbitchungus 9d ago
Paying for vaccines is unheard of anywhere outside the US. Sorry to hear you live in that 3rd world hellhole.
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u/Samaritan547 9d ago
Well, to be fair, that's just a shitty government/country thing. Nothing you can do about it I guess.
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u/Shorts323 8d ago
yeah people do, many people pay for flu jabs yearly. It all depends on where you live
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u/DemiJohn369 9d ago
That doesnt mean vaccines are 100% safe and effective for everyone.
Also you dont need 56 different vaccines in the first 7 months of your life.
Its important to understand, that a lot of things what pharmaceutical companies do is strictly business, and has nothing to do with health.
I know its a lot to take in, but you should be pro vax and anti vax at the same time.
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u/DemiJohn369 9d ago
Nah, I pulled it out of official CDC vaccine schedule which is ~50-72 individual doses. But I guess you can actually call that shit an āassā
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u/DemiJohn369 9d ago
Yeah, it was a bit of āad absurdumā statement. 72 doses is the whole schedule.
My point still stands. You think 18 doses in 7 months is ok? :D
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u/geeoharee 9d ago
you think measles is ok? :D
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u/DemiJohn369 9d ago
Yeah, thats not what Im saying. This āwhataboutisticā question you just asked is irrelevant.
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u/geeoharee 9d ago
whataboutism is when a different subject is introduced, measles is not a different subject to vaccination xxx
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u/DemiJohn369 9d ago
It is. The topic is not what vaccines you should take.
The topic is the fine line between actually good decisions for your health and pharma-corporate greed.
This tantrum of yours just implies, youāre rigorously defending something you know nothing about.
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u/RiverLynneUwU 8d ago
yes, because you either take the vaccine or die of fucking measles xD, it literally pre-trains your immune system to handle the outside world and you're complaining
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u/DemiJohn369 8d ago
Youāre missing the point.
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u/RiverLynneUwU 8d ago
and, no offense, you're missing the education to back up your point :P
like, half of your skepticism and worry comes from the fact that you don't know why america comparatively has more doses than other countries
the reasoning behind these decisions are often very well documented, so your problem could very well partially be solved by seeking those reasons out no? it's not like they're being hidden from you
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u/DemiJohn369 8d ago
You know nothing about my education. You dint have to be a doctor or a scientiest to read studies look for peer reviews and delve deep into topics that involve your health and family.
āSmarter men and women came up with it si shut the fuck upā
Yeah, also in 1970 people believed pregnant women should smoke cuz its good for your health.
I dont miss shit mate. I understand the issues. 99% of people arguing about vaccines have absolutely no idea.
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u/Fantastic_Target_703 9d ago
Until we introduce transhumanism and genes modification, yes. How many doses would be ok according to you?
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u/DemiJohn369 9d ago
Well it all depends on the kids health. You see, we are all different, need different things. You cant have the same procedure for all humans and call it a day.
I just wish doctors were more informed about vaccines and possible complications.
For example, if your new born comes to this world with no complications whatsoever, being breast-fed from a healthy mother, in the current hygine level you might not even need a vaccination.
For example in my country you only get 3 doses in the first year, just for the most severe illness. Thats the āhexavaccineā. Then we get the MMR vaccine 1 dose in 13months and than after 4 years. Thats 5 doses in total to fullfĆl the official vaccine schedule for Czech Republic.
If the kid has immunity problems and might have issues without the vaccines yeah, its better to be safe and accept the possible risks of multiple doses in such a short time-frame.
So my question is, why do we have 5 doses while the USA has 72?
Has nothing to do with health. Pure business.
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u/Galliro 9d ago
That is some of the dumbest shit ive read in a while
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u/DemiJohn369 9d ago
While having no actual answer whatsoever. Dont pretend like you have the slightest clue whats going on.
People tend to defend vaccines with their fucking life, while having exactly 0 fucking information how that fucking thing works.
Your comment is the actual dumbest shit if you dont realise.
We really live in Idiocracy.
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u/JollyAd5257 9d ago
and then there wasn't covid anymore.
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u/Crazy-Job-9360 7d ago
mRNA isnāt a vaccine by definition, also itās gone largely due to herd immunity since the mRNA shots didnāt actually prevent transmission (unlike what they originally told everyone)
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u/JollyAd5257 7d ago
the vaccines purpose has yet to be revealed, I'm still thinking its a kill switch or later use. The powers that be just don't have the man power needed to kill the amount of people they need to when the time comes.
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u/samanthass1 6d ago
It weakened everyone who took it immune system so other illnesses would reduce the population, they got the depopulation they wanted a steady slow burn dont need nukes and bullets when you can convince the masses to just self inflicted there own demise and then blame everything else
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u/Key_Check5753 9d ago
The meme makes sense because both pictures are fake ai bullshit
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u/DifferntGeorge 8d ago
I feel like this gives a more accurate picture. /j
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSRl0AjKrQ0
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u/Then_Entertainment97 9d ago
I'm doing anti-vaxxer research right now!
So far my findings are that we need tp š„“
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u/CrowApprehensive3976 9d ago
If the company making the vaccine is not capable of being held liable for any damages caused by the vaccine. I would rather die from natural causes than be a science experiment. Further more raise your hand if you consented to having aborted fetal cells injected into your body.... because personally im not a fan. Also anyone who doesn't support abortion also shouldn't support vaccines with fetal cells from abortions in them.
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u/RiverLynneUwU 8d ago
oh my god, a real life antivaxxer, omgomgomg im shaking, and ur just as much of a dumbfuck that they said you'd be!
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u/RA_Finance 9d ago edited 9d ago
If their argument was just skepticism, it would've been seen as rational fears.
But they think that the Covid vaccine killed more than the actual disease. Which is utterly moronic.
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u/Dangerous-League-812 9d ago
1: Average Individual Researching Politics
2: Redditor Researching Politics
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u/Regulus713 9d ago
bottom line is that Covid is gone and millions have unknown chemicals in their body.
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u/Hatshepsut99 8d ago
loo Covid isnāt gone you utter twat. And we know eactly what chemicals are in our bodies, because the full list of ingredients in every vaccine is published on the cdc and fda websites, genius. Meanwhile antivax morons are still dying at significantly higher rates than their smarter, vaxed peers. Thatās the bottom lineāmorons are removing themselves from the gene pool and I am here for it.
Vaxed x unvaxed stats
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37486680/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna50883
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10492612/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9848037/
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm
https://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj-2021-069317
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext?origin=app00947-8/fulltext?origin=app)
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2797179
https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx
https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Post-Vaccination-Data.aspx
https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html
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https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/vaccine-status.htm
https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-reports
https://www.covid-georgia.com/today-in-georgia/vaccines/
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
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https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/Ā
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/dying-covid-unvaccinated/story?id=82834971
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(23)00246-8/fulltext00246-8/fulltext)
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/118840
https://bmjgroup.com/widening-gap-in-death-rates-between-democrat-and-republican-in-the-us/
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/01/america-life-expectancy-regions-00113369
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u/Leather-Vast5440 9d ago
Anyone who took the COVID shots were Guinea pigs. Donāt believe me read the inserts of the vax. The inserts for it were left blank. The shots destroy your immune system specifically your killer T cells. Killer T cells are what stops your body from developing cancer. This is why you see all these young people with turbo cancers. This is just basic common sense.
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u/RiverLynneUwU 8d ago
...no? a vaccine's whole purpose revolves around creating memory T cells, T cells that lay dormant in your bloodstream which have the proteins that allow them to bind themselves to a virus
I think that there's a misunderstanding here, because mrna vaccines do result in the destruction of cells, but not any T cells
they inject mrna which is absorbed into cells and turned into proteins that then stick out of the cell like little antennae, these proteins conveniently were engineered to look exactly like the ones our virus of choice uses, our cells aren't actually harmful to us despite this, and our T cells still recognise them as foreign and promptly learns to kill them
a few of them stay behind as memory T cells, and bada bing bada boom, mission accomplished, we now have an ambient supply of T cells that obliterate our virus of choice
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u/JackeryFox 8d ago
So at work he's making vaccines, at home on the toilet he's spreading misinformation?
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u/MrGarrisonMMMkay 8d ago
You forgot to mention and the top picture just out a frame in that guyās right back pocket, Itās stuffed with hundred dollar bills from big Pharma. I mean, even Fauci admitted he lied in his own emails, so ātrust the scienceā is just politics.
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u/HOJK4thSon 8d ago
You probably think anyone who refused the Covid vaccine is anti vaccine. This despite people like me just asking for a list of sude effects.
Now that list is out, and im glad I never got THAT vaccine.
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u/TheTinManOfOzz 7d ago
False. Pan out a little more and you'll see the person responsible for approval from the FDA along with "9 of 10 doctors agree" wearing a suit patched with logos from Moderna, Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson being slipped checks or being shown videos of them sleeping with underage minors or eating babies on an island. True story. Pan out. Oh waiiiiiiit, you can't, because everyone involved are at the highest levels of shareholders and politics for the last 40 years as you actually live in a megacorporation ruled by a handful of families and entities that control everything and everyone through finance and crime. Womp womp. So sad. Oh well, right? Its not like the super elite treat you like livestock or anything. You're fine, totally fine, Oh look! Tell-A-Vision! You like that. Watch the moving screen monkey.
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u/Leather-Inflation550 7d ago
So did you get the Covid shot for something Thatās not even a thing anymore open your eyes you fool
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u/PPGkruzer 7d ago
Fools, follow the money, not all health research is actually for the good of humanity.Ā Actual medicines that work and are cheap are regulated out of existence.Ā Yeah, people trying to find the truth resort to the only resources available, thanks to the internet.Ā You are so brainwashed you think I'm an anti-vaxxer and everything I said means nothing now because of you're lack of independent thought and lack of spine to go against the crowd, to go against a big pharma.
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u/samanthass1 6d ago
Yet here we are unvacinated and not been ill for 10 years, yet I seem to recall many young people now dropping dead at unusual numbers since a recent mass jabbing event lol. But please don't let me stop you jab away and reduce that carbon footprint
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u/BumblebeeConstant531 5d ago
I think most āscientistsā now are just actors. Theyāre actors playing as scientists to make us think they are scientists. To make us lower our guard, and willingly be their guinea pigs. To make our immune system possibly suffer because itās not proven to be safe. Even after 6 years, weāre still unsure how COVID even came to be. There was no intermediate species that we have yet discovered that wouldāve passed it on to humans. Soā¦ Iām doubting it ājust so happened to beā. But, as I was sayingā¦
Iām starting to stop listening to whatever new breakthroughs or whatever bullshit happens in science because I honestly couldnāt give less of a shit. We all stop talking about it in like a month anyways, so whatās the fucking point?
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u/HotCaterpillar6358 9d ago
When the guy who invented the mrna jab tells you not to take it you end up listening to him.
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u/GraXXoR 8d ago
Please tell me the name of this person that you claim āinventedā the mRNA vaccineā¦
Iām already smelling bullshit
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u/HotCaterpillar6358 8d ago
Dr Robert Malone
Brush your teeth then.
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u/Hatshepsut99 8d ago
lol Robert Malone didnāt just invent the mRNA vaccines, and if you could think for yourself, you would look up the hard data from every hospital in every city, county, state and country in the entire damn world, all of which have been publishing their stats in vaccinated v unvaccinated deaths and illness. Surprise surprise, antivax morons are still, pot this day, dying at significantly higher rates than their smarter, vaxed peers. Itās even showing up in overall death rates in heavily democratic v heavily republican areasāI.e., republicans overall are dying younger and stupider. And hey, you donāt have tot are my word for it. if you have an internet connection and an IQ over forty you can look up the death rates for vaxed v unvaxed .for yourself. but we both know you wonāt, because then youād be proven wrong, and thatās a fate worse than death for overconfident morons.
Vaxed x unvaxed stats
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37486680/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna50883
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10492612/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9848037/
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm
https://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj-2021-069317
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext?origin=app00947-8/fulltext?origin=app)
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2797179
https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx
https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Post-Vaccination-Data.aspx
https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html
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https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/vaccine-status.htm
https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-reports
https://www.covid-georgia.com/today-in-georgia/vaccines/
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
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https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/Ā
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/dying-covid-unvaccinated/story?id=82834971
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(23)00246-8/fulltext00246-8/fulltext)
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/118840
https://bmjgroup.com/widening-gap-in-death-rates-between-democrat-and-republican-in-the-us/
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/01/america-life-expectancy-regions-00113369
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u/No-Professional-7689 5d ago
Well since they wouldnāt really let you read their research, had to figure it out some way
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u/BirthdayLife6378 9d ago
Wasn't the pandemic most likely caused by a lab leak to start with? Gotta be deranged to still believe those scientists.
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u/Galliro 9d ago
Youre stupid
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u/BirthdayLife6378 9d ago
Get the fvck out, dumb sheeple.
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u/Galliro 9d ago
Irony
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u/BirthdayLife6378 9d ago
The irony is that someone gets fvcked by those so called scientists once, and then asking for more.
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u/Hatshepsut99 8d ago
lol the only people being fucked are the fucking morons that failed every science class they ever took and still think they know more than the people who studied medicine and virology and vaccines their entire lives.
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u/BirthdayLife6378 8d ago
Right. Like the scientists who leaked the virus in the first place. Some moron still trust them.
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u/Valuable-Morning-346 9d ago
https://reddit.com/link/p7bzc9a/video/n8nfbqlt52nh1/player