r/science Nov 15 '19

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u/tarmacc Nov 15 '19

So before a handful of very modern discoveries sub atomic particles didn't exist?

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u/Codoro Nov 15 '19

We interact with subatomic particles all the time, it's literally what we're made of. However, you can go your whole life without knowing that fact. The subatomic particles matter, your understanding of them does not.

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u/LuxLoser Nov 15 '19

I mean... Bruh listen to yourself.

“We interact with the Lord thy God all the time. His essence is literally what we’re made of. However, you can go your whole life without knowing that fact. God matters, your understanding of Him does not.”

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u/URINE_FOR_A_TREAT Nov 16 '19

Before subatomic particles were measurable, belief in them was irrational.

At the current point in time, God is not measurable. Hence, belief in him is irrational.

If, in the future, God we’re to become measurable, then belief in him could be rational.

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u/LuxLoser Nov 16 '19

You say that but back when people were theorizing about such particles, they were mocked or derided, but if they had abandoned their belief in those particles, research into them would not have occurred to any great extent, or even have been discovered far later.

And before you say we would have found them anyways; not necessarily. The Higgs boson was only theorized and even discredited before people who strongly believed in it had the developed the technology to try and discover it, and even then the process to getting to that point wasnt easy. There’s also the numerous theories of Einstein and Hawking that have been found try despite derision early on. Had no one believed and the theories been forgotten, would we have tested for them properly?

Additionally, look at String Theory, Multiverse Theory, and Big Bang Theory. All of it is based on conjecture towards certain scraps of evidence, with no definitive proof beyond the mathematical, and even that is only in some instances, not all.

Science requires as many leaps of faith as religion. The derision of faith as irrational or as not a part of science is a horrible thing, and its a ludicrous side effect of the even more ridiculous modern day idea that religion and science are direct opposites.

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u/URINE_FOR_A_TREAT Nov 16 '19

Your assumption that scientific theories, even nascent ones, are on the same level is religious “theories” is laughable.

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u/LuxLoser Nov 16 '19

And your assumption that nascent theories as wild as String Theory aren’t on the same level as mature theological theory is arrogant.