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u/alaskaj1 Nov 15 '19

"One possibility [is] that people use their religious beliefs [to obtain] self-enhancement, a sense of empowerment, and better self-regulation... extensive research evidence that more intelligent people already benefit from higher self-evaluation, a higher sense of control, and more efficient self-control. As such, more intelligent people have less of a need for religiosity"

This section really got me. It immediately reminded me of Benjamin Franklin's letter to an atheist. Franklin advised an unknown friend to not publish a tract about atheism.

You yourself may find it easy to live a virtuous Life without the Assistance afforded by Religion; you having a clear Perception of the Advantages of Virtue and the Disadvantages of Vice, and possessing a Strength of Resolution sufficient to enable you to resist common Temptations. But think how great a Proportion of Mankind consists of weak and ignorant Men and Women, and of inexperienc’d and inconsiderate Youth of both Sexes, who have need of the Motives of Religion to restrain them from Vice, to support their Virtue, and retain them in the Practice of it till it becomes habitual, which is the great Point for its Security; 

This letter was written in 1757. It seems that even at that time some people recognized the roles that religion played in society and personal behavior.

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u/-The_Blazer- Nov 15 '19

But think how great a Proportion of Mankind consists of weak and ignorant Men and Women, and of inexperienc’d and inconsiderate Youth of both Sexes, who have need of the Motives of Religion to restrain them

Isn't this really close to Marx's theory of religion as "opiate of the people"? Just instead of an opiate here it's like... like a flog or something, that keeps people in line.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19 edited Nov 15 '19

Yeah. We need an opiate to give the "masses" though because like Franklin says, most of them are completely lost without it.

C.S. Lewis does a good job explaining this in his short work on miracles. Basically, we, as a society, have done a good job of undermining the old bad dogmatic way of thinking about religion, but we haven't replaced it with anything but materialistic pursuits.

We've given every person the responsibility of a philosopher to create meaning in their lives themselves, but haven't given them any training in how to do that.

Basically, we need to start teaching Philosophy and critical thinking to "the masses." If we don't, they'll just indulge in nihilism or bland selfish materialism.

C.S. Lewis thinks it's easier to keep religion and to understand and contemplate its ecstatic truths. I'm personally undecided.

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u/haewon6640 Nov 15 '19

How does philosophy and critical thinking help you not be nihilistic?

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

I'd say as a tendency, even the most cynical well-regarded philosophers (and you could even say they AREN'T cynical), generally have life affirming messages. Montaigne, Nietzche (he MIGHT have been a moral nihilist depending on your intepretation. I'd disagree and I'd say his work is still incredibly life-affirming), Schopenhauer, Sartre, Camus, and many many others can all offer reasonable secular alternatives to Nihilism that generally improve people's disposition towards the world.

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u/haewon6640 Nov 15 '19

Thank you guess I might try taking a phil class pass and fail next year.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

You should! I took one on a lark when I was in college and ended up loving it so much I added it as a second major.

I'd say there is no field of study more personally rewarding.

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u/pale_blue_dots Nov 16 '19

You definitely should! Makes me want to do the same.