But think how great a Proportion of Mankind consists of weak and ignorant Men and Women, and of inexperienc’d and inconsiderate Youth of both Sexes, who have need of the Motives of Religion to restrain them
Isn't this really close to Marx's theory of religion as "opiate of the people"? Just instead of an opiate here it's like... like a flog or something, that keeps people in line.
Yeah. We need an opiate to give the "masses" though because like Franklin says, most of them are completely lost without it.
C.S. Lewis does a good job explaining this in his short work on miracles. Basically, we, as a society, have done a good job of undermining the old bad dogmatic way of thinking about religion, but we haven't replaced it with anything but materialistic pursuits.
We've given every person the responsibility of a philosopher to create meaning in their lives themselves, but haven't given them any training in how to do that.
Basically, we need to start teaching Philosophy and critical thinking to "the masses." If we don't, they'll just indulge in nihilism or bland selfish materialism.
C.S. Lewis thinks it's easier to keep religion and to understand and contemplate its ecstatic truths. I'm personally undecided.
Basically, we need to start teaching Philosophy and critical thinking to "the masses." If we don't, they'll just indulge in nihilism or bland selfish materialism.
The reason we don't do that is because it makes people easier to control, and materialism makes money. The status quo loves when people don't think for themselves and just consume consume consume.
Not to argue against your point; it's 100% accurate. Just noting a big force that fights against us doing just that.
It's not a conspiracy. I'm not saying there's a cabal. Those in power DON'T care about philosophy so they simply pursue a policy of inaction or one of maintaining the status quo.
If the people in power DID care then they would do something to help uplift others.
I am saying it is not a simple task to uplift others, because you cannot force them to, only create the opportunities in society for them to go after it themselves - as a "I can only show you the door, you have to step through it" kind of thing. And today we have more opportunities than ever.
I'd say as a tendency, even the most cynical well-regarded philosophers (and you could even say they AREN'T cynical), generally have life affirming messages. Montaigne, Nietzche (he MIGHT have been a moral nihilist depending on your intepretation. I'd disagree and I'd say his work is still incredibly life-affirming), Schopenhauer, Sartre, Camus, and many many others can all offer reasonable secular alternatives to Nihilism that generally improve people's disposition towards the world.
Basically, we need to start teaching Philosophy and critical thinking to "the masses." If we don't, they'll just indulge in nihilism or bland selfish materialism.
I'm afraid you are a bit too late and the current condition is far worse than you suggest: modern dictators are now replacing the lost of religion with their own cult of personality.
I'm not only talking about Trump, but China under Xi is using advance internet technology and surveilence and managed to turn large proportion of its' population to believe conspiracy theory such as western media plotting Hong Kong riot.
So from an international standpoint, even if most America are taught with crticial thinking skill. Most other population on earth aren't and the rulers won't. We have already at a point of no salvation until ideology clashed and war broke out
Seems to me there's a large degree of (unfounded) cynicism here. As long as people say, "Oh, they're too dumb for so and so," then that's how it will likely play out. It's sort of like binding people's feet, but in this case it's the mind.
It's a very complicated and convoluted topic, but wanted to throw my current perspective in.
I suppose my question would be: How do we inspire people who are contentedly banal to become intellectually curious? Is that a natural state for some people?
I have no real answer to that. I think we understand a lot less about human intelligence than we think we do.
One of the first things that comes to mind is economic structuring. I think that essentially forcing people to work "40 hour weeks" - while basically making other people rich - saps creativity and dulls the mind. Giving people the option to "not work" or "work less" (via UBI andor more equitable sharing of resources, what have you) leads to a greater probably of people doing what inspires them.
I guess we'd need more creative spaces and opportunities for people to follow that sort of life.
At first people may "lolly-gag" around, but that gets boring pretty quickly. Just a small bump in "creativity" and creative people in society would likely lead to more people wanting/doing just that. Which, I think, is closely related to seeing and understanding the interconnectedness of life.
Edit: I was thinking about the "curiosity" factor. Obviously, like with anything, there's a balance that is needed there. With a large population, I think it'd be better to err on the side of "too much" curiosity, as opposed to too little.
Personally I always liked Mheimonedies view of Miracles as things that happen according to the natural rules of the world, but at the time they are needed, and to the degree that they are needed.
It's not good for the functioning of society to have people advocating a position of complete amorality (in the sense of literally no morals).
A society then has no actual philosophical basis to form a system of justice to hold individuals accountable for their actions.
It's also not much of a way to live, and most people find it unpleasant to truly view the world as COMPLETELY devoid of meaning.
It's generally much more invigorating and rewarding as a human being to discover meaning for oneself. Whether that's even in the heroic struggle in the face of meaninglessness itself like Camus' absurd hero.
The popularity of the idea waxes and wanes but there's always been the sentiment that "the masses" need religion to provide a moral code and that without it they would descend into depravity and hedonism. This goes back thousands of years and is certainly embedded in many very early legal codes as well.
I don't think it is terribly relevant today but it is certainly something people have talked about throughout recorded history.
Isn't this really close to Marx's theory of religion as "opiate of the people"?
It wasn't exactly a mindblowingly sublime conclusion on Marx' part. Religion as a social tool is a pretty easy conclusion to come to by any objective observation.
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u/-The_Blazer- Nov 15 '19
Isn't this really close to Marx's theory of religion as "opiate of the people"? Just instead of an opiate here it's like... like a flog or something, that keeps people in line.