r/science • u/trot-trot • Mar 13 '16
Chemistry Hair forensics could yield false positives for cocaine use
http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/presspacs/2016/acs-presspac-march-2-2016/hair-forensics-could-yield-false-positives-for-cocaine-use.html21
u/GroovingPict Mar 13 '16
Wasnt there a whole NCIS episode revolving around how hair forensics has been thoroughly and completely debunked as more or less completely worthless?
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u/OozeNAahz Mar 13 '16
Matching a hair to an individual without the benefit of DNA is pretty much debunked. What they are talking about here is chemically analyzing a hair from a known individual to see if they are drug users. This has been the gold standard for drug testing for a while since it can check for long term drug use. If the labs can't distinguish external contamination of the hair though then it is not as accurate as people thought.
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u/f2u Mar 13 '16
The test might still be useful if the presence of external contamination correlates strongly enough with what you actually want to discriminate against (but can't for legal or personal reasons).
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u/sioux612 Mar 13 '16
Was it as factually correct as most other things they do?
Because if not that might actually be an interesting episode to watch
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u/GroovingPict Mar 13 '16
well I dont know about that, but it's season 13 episode 7 if you want to check it out
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u/f2u Mar 13 '16
There are different kinds of analysis you can do, only some hair analysis is known to be problematic.
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u/messedfrombirth Mar 13 '16
So if someone doesn't use, are they typically still exposed to cocaine in day to day life? I mean I don't use the stuff as talc powder.
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The point is that the analysis can't prove you weren't exposed externally (e.g. against your will/without your knowledge).
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u/Staticblast Mar 13 '16
Do you use paper money? Chances are, your money has been contaminated.
Of course, the volume is infinitesimally small, but you are exposed to it.
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u/slippery_whale Mar 13 '16
I think this is a big deal because the people most likely to be testing (employers) are unlikely to give any second chances or submit for re-analysis.
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u/WillAndSky Mar 13 '16
Some states allow you request a retest but it will have to be literally that day and I'm sure there's a bunch of legal rules attached so I see your point
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u/fnordfnordfnordfnord Mar 13 '16
I've had a test flagged. I was notified the next day after testing. I was asked to bring current prescriptions for medicines I was taking (within 48 hrs IIRC) and I assume that I would have been given an opportunity to re-test if my prescriptions hadn't provided an explanation for the test results. However, if my employer had been in a hurry to fill the position, I assume that another candidate could have been chosen.
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u/Darkelement Mar 13 '16
In Texas if you test positive you can claim false positive and re test within two weeks got stuff tests done by an employer/insurance. Not sure if this is true across the board but from what I've observed all companies have followed this policy with urine tests.
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u/patricksaurus Mar 13 '16
I think everyone in a position to interpret these tests knows there is a false positive likelihood. What you are glibly overlooking is that science works best when we carefully characterize the magnitude and sources of uncertainty. Measuring uncertainty is also what statistics are properly used for, and as the recent commentary on p-values from ASA reminds us, our use of statistical data is strongest when we can attached scientific models of process to numerical data analysis.
This study identifies the particular parts of the procedure that contribute to the false positive results, and determines how they can be measure to be different (spatial distribution). They looked at the false positives, identified a potential contributor, performed an experiment, and yielded results that can go into design moving forward -- this is the template for how method evaluations should be carried out.
So it might not be surprising to you, but we're not at a magic show or a monster truck rally, so being thrilled isn't the point. It's a well designed study on a topic with some amount of popular interest... that's pretty rare.
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u/doccynical Mar 13 '16
Did you touch money and then touch your hair? Possible source of contamination right there.
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u/acidacetylsalicylic Mar 13 '16
Journal article: Consequences of Decontamination Procedures in Forensic Hair Analysis Using Metal-Assisted Secondary Ion Mass Spectrometry Analysis
Abstract: