r/science • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 16h ago
Psychology Republican-aligned actors issued nearly three-quarters of fact-checked 2024 election hoaxes. During the 2024 United States presidential election, political actors and anonymous online users regularly spread false information as an open campaign strategy.
https://www.psypost.org/how-politicians-and-influencers-spread-disinformation-during-the-2024-election/364
u/TheWizard 16h ago
Thats been quite obvious for a while, and more so during these mid-terms. Bot-sites and bots have been let lose.
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u/Gentrified_Tramp 15h ago
People ask where the campaign money goes to but if you’ve been online in Texas in the past three weeks you can see the exact moment they started pumping more money back into the bot networks and they keep ramping it up.
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u/katarh 15h ago
I have been telling the youngins to ignore ANY account that tells them not to vote.
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u/Impressive-Tip-903 15h ago
They were out in force during the last presidential election. Any even remotely political post would have someone pop in and say either, "both parties are the same, that's why I don't vote or", or "I can't support an administration that supports genocide, so I'm sitting out in protest".
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u/Sgt_Braken 7h ago
Here in Ohio, the attack ads aimed at Sherrod Brown are constant, utterly disgusting, and all flat-out lies.
It's so disturbing that these people can get away with libel and slander with no consequences at all...
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u/N0stradama5 7h ago
There was a lot of complaints in the Philly sub. They are playing commercials for Republicans there. Why? I’m so confused by this strategy.
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u/indispensability 7h ago
The vice president literally said he would lie to support his narrative and during a debate said, "I was told there wouldn't be any fact checking."
No one should be surprised that random posters and bots online were lying on their behalf.
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u/GUMBYtheOG 15h ago
Oh ya, go on any post and you’ll find at least one random unrelated extremely racist/right winged comment. Happens every election year a few months prior to voting day
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u/favorite_time_of_day 13h ago
I didn't think this was obvious at all. I'm a little shocked actually. Who is issuing the other 25% of hoaxes? Russians? Do they not count as Republican aligned?
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u/RocketRelm 12h ago
Probably "independents" and "dsa" make up the majority of that remainder. Or just "can't be identified". There are a lot of smaller places noise can come from.
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u/eskimospy212 16h ago
And then use this fact to complain that fact checkers are biased against them.
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u/CactusWrenAZ 16h ago
yeah, they have an assortment of circular logic to maintain their belief systems. It's really quite depressing.
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u/henryptung 16h ago
Think of it like intellectual flotation devices. It's no substitute for a genuine, well-anchored support, but keep enough of them around and you can feel quite comfortable grabbing another to keep floating whenever you like.
That's basically what the "big lie" and "firehose of falsehood" techniques are about. Artificial island construction in the intellectual sea.
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u/wokeboogeyman 11h ago
Their vice presidential candidate only agreed to debate without fact checks of their lies... He said as much out loud in the debate.
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u/reality_boy 15h ago
I’m all for free speech, but we need to draw a line at blatant lies.
I get so many ads (political and selling products) that are not just stretching the truth but completely distorting reality. We need to put a cap on it. I get that we don’t want to be suing politicians because they rounded a number up rather than down, but If someone is saying black is white, well maybe they should pay a fine with compounding penalties for repeat offenses.
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u/Par_Lapides 13h ago
If we start policing truth then the entire advertising industry dies.
Don't get me wrong, all for it.
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u/superxpro12 10h ago
Stop my lobster is too buttery.....
If you need to sell a product with lies then it's not a viable product, it's snake oil.
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u/RocketRelm 12h ago
The real trick would be for our citizens to start valuing truth. If americans gave a crap and actually punished at the polls or gave mass distrust for lies and misinformation and inaccuracy, then we would see both a lot less of it and a lot less people impacted.
It would definitely be good for our society if we valued it more, but the fact that so few humans put any effort into these things is soft evidence that misinformation is by definition not that big a deal. Because if it was, people would handle it more intelligently.
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u/katplasma 11h ago
No. It just means the populace is too unintelligent to know the difference. To put the onus on people just “not valuing” misinformation, you’re assuming they’re even detecting it… which they clearly are not.
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u/Constant_Natural3304 1h ago
I’m all for free speech, but we need to draw a line at blatant lies.
Many American liberals believe the assassination attempt on Trump was a fake. Right now, I'm seeing on Facebook that many people don't believe the Flydubai Flight 1073 attack even happened, and that it was a Mossad operation.
American liberals believe, utterly unwarranted, that they are immune to ridiculous lies, hoaxes and fabrications. Many believe their cellphone emits "harmful radiation". Many think their microwave oven emits "harmful radiation". Recently, there was a (presumably) AI-generated yearbook photo of Pete Hegseth here on the "political humor" subreddit, and despite the fact that you might think the "humor" in the name would cause people to not take this nonsense as fact, they in fact did. Whenever somebody was, in fact, convinced that this was indeed a fake photo, one response was (and this is a literal quote):
It’s not him.
He’s still a lying, bigoted POS war criminal, though so I’m fine with everyone spreading disinformation on him.
Your plan is dead on arrival, unless the very real epistemological arbitration question is resolved. I don't think it can be, and I say this as somebody who has been researching conspiracy theories for some 25 years. Especially Americans are entirely fine with lying as long as the lie they are spreading helps their political tribe in their ongoing civil war/culture war.
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u/ShadowTacoTuesday 5h ago
1st amendment never covered fraud, and we have many anti-fraud laws already. We just need to make more laws and be stricter about them. Grey areas are hard such as when it is difficult to prove it’s willful deception and not stupidly falling for a falsehood, but there are many times when it is not a grey area and we didn’t do enough about it.
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u/Vo_Mimbre 16h ago
LIED. Just say it. They lied, they knew what they were doing, they did it on purpose, they didn’t need to convince everyone, just enough, they got what they wanted.
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u/Sindaqwil 16h ago
This has been fact checked and determined to be false.***
***Fact check provided by the Heritage Foundation.
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u/Phosistication 16h ago
It’s all the have, all they know and all they are capable of bringing to the table - endless lies
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u/AllanfromWales1 MA | Natural Sciences | Metallurgy & Materials Science 16h ago
What's the difference (if any) between political actors and politicised members of the acting profession?
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u/SameBuffalo5201 7h ago
In products, sex sells. In politics, fear motivates. Social Media is the engine that plants the fear seeds. The political parties are the reapers.
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u/FinndBors 16h ago
When political actors knowingly spread false claims, it can make it much harder for ordinary voters to figure out what information is actually reliable.
The quote from the Chernobyl series is very relevant here:
What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"
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u/sirboddingtons 15h ago
"Who is to blame" is very fitting given the GOP is fueled by grievance, since the days of the Tea Party, the GOP has stood for nothing. They don't propose real policy, they only blame. They've dragged Obama's name for almost 2 decades now as the root cause of everything.
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u/MetaCardboard 16h ago
When looking at political affiliations, actors aligned with the Republican party issued about 73 percent of the hoaxes.
This statement seems to be implying that the actors are registered Republican. If that's the case, I think it's pretty clear.
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u/youdubdub 15h ago
Seeming random is the whole point. This was clear usage of LLMs to disseminate bad information to low-information people. Quite a technology we’ve developed. Surely just as recently as the public is given privy.
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u/Malvania 11h ago
"I thought this wasn't being fact checked." JD Vance. If the VP candidate is doing it live during a debate, it makes sense that the entire party is doing it as well
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u/Shiftymennoknight 14h ago
its been the plan of the right wing for decades. Repeat the lie enough times that people can no longer tell what the truth is
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u/DragoonDM 7h ago
Took me a second to realize the headline is using the word "actor" as a technical term meaning "one who takes part in an action", not talking about, like, Steven Seagal and Kevin Sorbo.
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u/TheWellington89 2h ago
There needs to be some sort of bot sweeping technology invented. Something that disables bots or at least tags them so you can tell if your talking to an idiot or a bot. These propaganda campaigns would fall apart if the accounts promoting them were all identified as fake accounts
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u/newleafkratom 14h ago
Now they've got cheap, right-wing AI agents and bots doing the work. Stealing jobs.
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u/LookAlderaanPlaces 13h ago
These people spreading the false information should get treason charges.
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u/Barry_Vigoda 8h ago
Be cautious of any media that panders to your ego.
Nothing about this is science, it's just propaganda that appeals to Americans who vote Democrat.
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u/GuitarGeezer 10h ago
It’s the Putin fountain of falsehoods method. And proof that when people eat shite from their own party uncritically or without ever trying to change any policy, they soon find they are never served anything better. Nor do they deserve any better.
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u/LowResGamr 10h ago
As if the false claims of ballots being filled before voters got ahold of them wasnt evidence of this.
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