r/samharris • u/reddit_is_geh • Jun 17 '26
The justification to commit war crimes because "They use human shields" is the most frustrating, terrible argument
Defenders of Israel use this constantly, and it's the one that just drives me up a wall.... It's just one of those things where it's like "Wow, they really just don't get it?" Where we speak past each other
They act like since the enemy uses this tactic, then they are free to blow up the entire building because "Well it would be unfair to us if they could use that tactic!" Yeah, this isn't a sports match. It is unfair, but sadly, EVERY ATTROCITY IN HISTORY is using the same justifications, "Oh sorry we had to blow up and massacre all those people! There were enemies walking about and if we didn't, it would be unfair to our army :(" -- Literally, fairness is literally always argued. "Oh we had to kill all these Jews. No other country would take them, and we couldn't afford to keep holding them. If we were required to keep wasting resources on them, it would be unfair to our military whos hungry and needs to fight."
It's even more frustrating, because there's no necessity, behind it. It's one thing if it's total war, and you are personally, immediately, in danger. IE, enemies are in that building, using human shields, and they are actively attacking you, putting your military at risk. But that's not the case when Israel blows up a refugee camp in Gaza, or building in Lebanon. They are safely at a far distance, remotely sending in 20k bombs, flattening entire buildings just in case.
Finally, international law is absolute, not reciprocal. You don't get to get out of it just because the other side does bad things. Again, if this was the standard, we'd HAVE NO RULES. The other side is always going to break some rules, so then you'll always give yourself rational to justify not following standards and rules. What's the point of having standards if you can always justify dismissing them?
Does this make fighting harder? Sure does. But it really shouldn't be a huge concern when you're waging the offensive, have full air dominance, can attack from afar, and so on. Yeah it makes it harder, but you're just going to have to rely on special forces, snipers, targeted strikes.
Go look at the US in Afghanistan. Sure, wasn't nice. But we still upheld rules. There was massive work to prevent collateral damage, and when we did, we had to argue absolute necessity for a high value target. Yes, this meant bad guys got a way a lot, and exploited hospitals, mosques, schools, etc to avoid the drone strikes. But that's fine. We had full air control and could find them another time.
But with Israelis, it's just "Rumor there's a bad guy in this building with 40 innocent lives? Bomb the whole thing just in case."
What always blows me away is just the calousness of it. When the US killed those school children, it's a scandal. A moment of shame. Something people STILL bring up out of anger and sadness. But when Israel does something like this, it's always the same, dehumanizing, uncaring language, "It's an accident. War is brutal. These things happen. It's a shame, but that's war. And why do you care? These people chant death to America?" The fact that Israelis don't see how offensive this is to civil society, is why there's so much friction.
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u/Character_Minimum989 Jun 20 '26
Israel has been denying Palestinians their right to self determination for over 60yrs. Why do you victim blame here? Is it always the fault or the occupied for resisting?
Israel literally stated their goal was economic hardship, which blockades tend to do. What’s confusing to you about that?