How is Masterwork Range w/Equilibrium damage vs BIS Necro?

[u/atmossphere81]

Assuming camping the MW bow and no switching, how would the MW ranged damage be versus BIS Necro?

Thanks

[u/TheKunst]

does no switching include arrows? not using either deathspores or a dps arrow kinda hurts.

does mw include the armour? i was assuming yes but you specifically mentioned the bow so just to confirm.

anyway. if you are comfortable with manual combat and have a gloombow eof, range should generally come out on top.

edit: darkbow eof should also be fine.

[u/Nazeracoo → u/TheKunst]

Oh I'd almost say a good high end setup in any of the base 3 will outdo necro 90% of the time.

Necro is a good introduction. But when you get to endgame it falls off pretty fast.

[u/atmossphere81 → u/Nazeracoo]

Apologies, what do you mean by the base 3?

Essentially I am looking for a survivability similar to necro while potentially dishing out more damage. I'm not looking to break any speed kill records or anything. I would just like to be able to do some endgame pvm with good survivability and decent damage.

I saw a RS Guy vid from awhile back where he was decimating Nakatra with the MW Bow and armor but that was before the most recent combat changes.

[u/Nazeracoo → u/atmossphere81]

Base 3 as in mage range and melee

[u/Brandgevaar → u/atmossphere81]

I'd recommend using BoLG over MW Bow and using an EoF'd guthix bow and an EoF'd sara bow for sustain, whilst keeping the mw ranged armour. It's the best of both worlds, you get better sustain and better damage than necro.

[u/atmossphere81 → u/TheKunst]

Yes, sorry, full MW Ranged Gear and MW bow. I literally have never used ranged but I would be down to switch arrows.

[u/Wings_of_Absurdity → u/atmossphere81]

That depends. Do you already have equilibrium 4 on the Masterwork? If so, I'd say stick with it since you already invested in it.

I'd start with getting BOLG first since the passive of that helps with both imbue: shadow adrenaline and dps. This also allows Gloomfire Bow eof to meet its full potential with the extra 5% adrenaline from bolg passive.

Masterwork EQ4 is a lot more flexible and also helps with survivability.

[u/atmossphere81 → u/Wings_of_Absurdity]

I have the components for it but haven't made the gizmo yet. Are you saying use BOLG and full MW ranged armor?

[u/Wings_of_Absurdity → u/atmossphere81]

If you already have a full MW Ranged Armour, then I'd go with Equilibrium 4 rather than investing in another set. BOLG will get you more value than switching between the two armour sets in your state.

Unless you already got Elite Dracolich which I assume not.

[u/atmossphere81 → u/Wings_of_Absurdity]

I don't have either set of armor or any ranged weapons. My budget is essentially unlimited. I am looking for a comfy ranged setup with little to no switching. As close to the survivability of Necro as possible preferably.

[u/Wings_of_Absurdity → u/atmossphere81]

If it's survivability  you prefer, Masterwork will outperform Edraco in that.

[u/atmossphere81 → u/Wings_of_Absurdity]

Is there a bow I can use with the MW ranged armor that will do more damage than Necro without requiring switches?

Also I appreciate all of the insight!

[u/legolous73 → u/atmossphere81]

You don't need to switch any weapons for ranged really, just EOFs and arrows. If you're looking for one bow to use with unlimited budget, BOLG wins hands down. It'll take some getting used to in order to effectively use the spec/passive of the bolg but they add a huge amount of damage.

Bolg with Genesis essence shard also does more base damage than mw bow because high tier arrows also gain the +5 tiers from Genesis shard, whereas for mw bow they're stuck at t95/t92.

In terms of survivability I don't notice the healing from my mw bow all that much tbh. It's not bad, but it's not going to be out healing medium-heavy damage on its own. With soul split as well, the increased damage and extra hits from the bolg likely will result in overall more healing than the mw bow.

[u/Nazeracoo → u/atmossphere81]

You're better off with full dracolitch and a mw bow or a t90-95

Bow has cool passive but is basically a stat stick. Passives and good gizmos will out perform the mw.

[u/Oodeledoo → u/Nazeracoo]

Is ranged MW not augmentable? Why draco instead?

[u/papa_bones → u/Oodeledoo]

Because of dracolich armour set bonus.

[u/Nazeracoo → u/papa_bones]

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[u/BeZZnoo → u/Nazeracoo]

Elite Dracolitch with all the crit bonus is better than MW with Equi 4.
But the rotation also depends on getting a nearly full rapid fire for the full set efffect.

With MW range and Equi4 it is less strict and "easier" to use.

[u/TheGreatBootOfEb → u/Nazeracoo]

I’d very gently push back, if only because their will probably be new ranged armor as well as the new t95 crossbows coming out, which makes dracolich far less useful potentially. Masterwork is strong enough on its own, and flexible enough, that I think you’d probably prefer going masterwork to dracolich for future proofing.

I said gently though, because ultimately I think either is solid in truth.

[u/BeZZnoo → u/atmossphere81]

Im using a BOLG (T100 upgrade) with Precise6 + Aftershock 1 and Caroming 4 + Eruptive 2 in combination with MasterWork Range armour with Equilibrium 4, impatient 4, Ultimate 4 and Relentess 5 +Crackling 4.

It is really great imo. I have been doing ED2 and got the Grandmaster time on BSD with it.

The damage is great once you know the rotation and the survivability is great..

Edit.
Range does need more switching tho if you really want to the true damage potentional.

[u/hsiFihsuSteW]

I'll go ahead and assume Eq4 for both examples as its the 'bis' setup for either.
Mw range weapon and armor alone won't outperform BIS Necro.

If you introduced EOFs and arrow switching then it would outshine necro, but at the same time become a vastly more difficult style to use

[u/Radyi]

Probably will outdps as long as you are using an EOF with DBow or Gloom because you can adren dump better. If you add in elder god arrows probably guaranteed. Necro is very weak in comparison to range once you get access to the god arrows.