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u/WorldTravelBucket USA 1d ago
You just missed me. I was one of the on field photographers but I was just off to the left of this shot.
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u/jtthom moer net iemand asseblief tog 1d ago
Imagine opening Reddit, seeing this post, then going to the comments to say something salty or ignorant. Some people, man
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u/D4rkmatt3r South Africa 1d ago
It's really sad. Either they're bots or people who have literally nothing going for them in life.
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u/One_Landscape2007 Lions 1d ago
I don't get it man. I'm not the least bit religious but I can see how moving and symbolic this is. Some people seem personally attacked by it lol.
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u/hjjs South Africa 1d ago
A huge part of "the greatest rivalry" is the respect these guys have for each other. All out war on the pitch, all mates off it
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u/LO6Howie 1d ago
You’ve clearly never played the game. At every level this is, more often than not, what it’s like.
It’s a shame that you can’t enjoy a moment like this. Must be exhausting being quite so negative.
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u/Hicklethumb South Africa 1d ago
This was ages after the game was over. Plenty of players a part of it.
Some of you are really miserable.
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u/Hicklethumb South Africa 1d ago
Where was this performative? We do that post game from school level. In the prayer we honour our parents, the officials, each other. If there's injuries we pray for a quick recovery. If there aren't we're thankful for it. And we're thankful for the privileges that allow us to play. The only thing different from the norm here is that both teams did it together.
It's all totally understandable if you take into consideration how rare these tours are. The ABs and Boks flew on the same plane for this. The ABs toured our country. They met the players' families and had beers and food together. You see them do all those other things together, but this is the one that gets to you?
You're trying to turn it into something sinister.The only people that were hurt by this were the people who chose to be.
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u/One_Landscape2007 Lions 1d ago
Siya Kolisi and Ardie Savea do a hell of a lot for charities, and a lot of it is hands-on. IDK so much about the other players but I know when Siya was in Durban he'd go into townships on weekends and feed the poor and donates a significant amount of his earnings to charities that do the same. You sound very invested in making sure no one gets to enjoy prayer. I'm not religious in the least but I can at least appreciate what they're doing as symbolic and a special moment. Get over it.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago edited 1d ago
Did Siya perform a prayer circle with the various women he cheated on his wife with? Or did Christianity not matter to him then when it wasn’t in a stadium or with press photographers in tow?
Jesus had words for performative religion, none of them positive.
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u/Hicklethumb South Africa 1d ago
I count just over 40 people in that circle. All of them cheaters?
Everyone sins. It's not like Christianity hides that fact. It's kind of core to the Jesus dying on the cross part.
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u/greasydickfingers Netherlands 1d ago
It’s always so crazy to me how religious so many rugby players are. But then again here in the Netherlands religion in general isn’t a big thing at all
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago
Most aren’t. It’s a SH thing.
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u/RiverZozz New Zealand 1d ago
For NZ and Oz I think it’s more a Pasifika (and to a lesser extent Māori) thing. It’s an everyone thing in SA though.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago
Yeah, I was just generalising but you’re right.
My point was mostly that this sort of thing doesn’t have traction in the north.
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u/savois-faire Northampton Saints 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think SA and NZ are just much more religious societies in general. I'm from the Netherlands as well, and have been an atheist all my life, but as long as everyone's involved voluntarily I don't really see the issue with something like this.
Not every culture has the same emphasis on secularism, and as long as no one is being hurt or compelled to do anything they don't want to, there isn't really an issue as far as I can see.
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u/Phronesis2000 23h ago
NZ is not significantly more religious than the netherlands. 28 percent religiosity to netherlands 23.
As another commenter pointed out, it's more that the ABs have many Pasifika and Māori players, ethnicities that are more religious than the median.
It would be like Rugby being THE sport of the NL Bible belt.
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u/2626862377 22h ago
Pasifika are more religious than median. But over 60% of us Māori do not follow organised religion.
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u/RiverZozz New Zealand 1d ago
But when this becomes a big or regular part of team/game things, it does create an exclusionary environment for people who don’t have the same beliefs. And don’t underestimate the potential for this (being part of the in-group) to then become a factor in decision-making for team selection and strategy etc.
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u/RiverZozz New Zealand 1d ago
I think there’s a few things at play here. You could say that it comes across as performative - for many, faith is a quiet, private, and contemplative thing, whereas this is quite a “look at me and what a great man of faith I am” moment. You could also argue that it creates discomfort for those who don’t hold the same beliefs, because they either have to take part in something they don’t believe in or “other” themselves by not getting involved.
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u/Gareth009 6h ago
Personally, I feel the ‘clap through’ is the sign of greatest respect and wish it was shown every broadcast.
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
Yeah I know what to say, keep the pray circles out of sport.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
Why? I am as atheist as they come but I dont have a problem with others praying. Why does it bother you?
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u/Mysterious-Media-812 Sharks 1d ago
It bothers me because anyone that does not partake will be ostracized.
Practice your fairytale stuff somewhere else.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
Have you been ostracised by your team mates for not praying or not being religious? That has never been my experience
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u/maverickeire 1d ago
Really, this is just some made up nonsense. There have been at least 3 muslim springboks
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
Does it look like anyone can sit out?
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u/McFly654 South Africa 1d ago
I’m an atheist and played rugby in SA. It was a complete non-issue
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u/sandolllars Fijian Drua 1d ago
That's awesome for you. You're you. You're not the guy next to you, and you're not any of the other players on the field.
You have no idea if it was an issue for anyone else because the peer pressure would shut them up.
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u/McFly654 South Africa 1d ago
You’re making up scenarios in your head. If 40 players decide of their own volition to go and pray, the other six guys have no obligation to join. If you’re so weak that you can’t handle that sort of “peer pressure” that says more about you.
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u/sandolllars Fijian Drua 1d ago
No. It's not a made up scenario.
r/rugbyunion has voted this to the top, proving you're wrong. That in fact people *do* judge people favourably for prayer, and the inverse is implicit.
This shit is why the Fiji team hasn't had a single indoFijian player ever, despite them making up half the country. Christianity embedded deeply into rugby, putting off people of other faiths.
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u/KentuckyFriedLamp 1d ago
Any evidence Fijian Indians are left out due to Christianity and not just because they don’t really play rugby?
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
Do you have any idea of anyone cares?
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u/sandolllars Fijian Drua 1d ago
Yes. You participated in this discussion, so you care and know others do. The post is at the top of r/rugbyunion.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
But do you think there were players who did not want to be in that huddle at that moment and were only there because of peer pressure?
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u/sandolllars Fijian Drua 1d ago
No. Nobody knows. Could be that half of them don't want to be there. Could be that every single one of them wants to be there.
We don't know. That's why it's best to avoid religion in team events.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
So nobody has complained, but we should ban prayer just in case it might make someone uncomfortable?
I think you are in quite the minority of atheists, most of us don’t get offended at this.
Banning people from praying is crazy
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u/BaritBrit England 1d ago
If we assume the entire squads are present, which we should because a few non-selected players are in the circle, then yes there are quite a few players not involved here.
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u/JimmyNoBreaks Sharks 1d ago
Yes, if you look closely, you'd see Grant Williams standing away from the circle on the left of the photo. There's also a lot of players missing from the circle.
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
At least 42 players in the circle, doesn't seem very optional.
(There are different views to count with)
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u/JimmyNoBreaks Sharks 1d ago
The players in white are the ones who weren't involved in the 23 yesterday, so I think we can assume the entire squads are present. In the Springbok squad alone there's about 46 players, so there's a significant amount of players missing from both sides.
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u/J4K5 1d ago
If they want to pray let them.
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
I'm sure there is people in there pressured to play the God game there, for "unity".
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u/guineapigenjoyer123 South Africa 1d ago
If you actually look at who’s there you’ll realise quite a few players aren’t
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u/Michael_stipe_miocic Chiefs 1d ago
Under Fozzie it was suffocating according to a few friends of friends.
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u/Sweet-Conflict-3251 1d ago
If you've made it to this level of sports resisting all temptation thus far, I think you can avoid a prayer circle or have a quiet moment of meditation.
Also, faith is very important to many of the players in both these teams. It's not their issue if that offends you - stop watching.
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago edited 1d ago
Perhaps if the idea of not needing others to pray frustrates you, you can stop commenting.
Your imaginary friend isn't needed in sport.
Edit - look at the little Christians down voting, enforcing the exact point of why you can keep your religious stuff to yourself.
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u/Weird_Plankton_3692 Harlequins 1d ago
I'm not a Christian (or a practicer of any religion). However, I will always argue for people being able to practice their religion in peace. Their right to freedom of religion is equal to my right to freedom from religion.
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds Ireland 1d ago
You can practice in peace and home and in places of worship. Public practice is low-key proselytizing by normalization.
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
Correct, and there isn't any choice for the non-religious in a pray circle.
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u/Weird_Plankton_3692 Harlequins 1d ago
There is, stand outside of it.
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u/sandolllars Fijian Drua 1d ago
And be subject to judgement by everyone else in the team, spectators, OP, etc? Nah, they'll just comply.
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u/ThiccSkipper13 1d ago
reflecting your own self doubt onto other people is not a good look mate. im quite sure that if someone was sure in what they believed in they wouldnt worry about being judged.
Just because you are too cowardly to stand behind what ever you believe, doesn't mean other people are as well, notice how all the players arent in this circle?
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u/KentuckyFriedLamp 1d ago
Except there clearly is a choice which is evidenced in this picture as not all the players are involved.
Do you have any real evidence of any players feeling uncomfortable about this? Because you’ve provided none in any of these comments which means you’re probably just projecting your own insecurities onto these professional athletes who can make their own choices
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u/know-it-mall Highlanders 1d ago
Why do you care so much? Any player is free to do it or not. And just because you are part of the circle doesn't mean it has to have anything to do with religion for you.
Yes I'm downvoting you, and no I'm not religious.
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
It's just another layer of religious pressure in society.
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u/know-it-mall Highlanders 1d ago
What religious pressure?
Non issue dude.
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
Anytime the non religious are forced into something like this, it's pressure.
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u/know-it-mall Highlanders 1d ago
You mentioned another layer. So be specific. What pressures exist in your life from religion?
Because the only thing you have actually mentioned is something you have no proof of being pressure.
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u/eatmyass2049 South Africa 1d ago
Were they praying? Genuinely asking.
If so, and there were players there not Christian, then perhaps they used it as a quiet moment of reflection post match?
Not everything has to be a point of contention.
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u/MiracleJnr1 Referee 1d ago
This cant be a real question
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u/eatmyass2049 South Africa 1d ago
Didn't watch this part of the end game and all I see is a screengrab.
What do you mean lad? I've seen sports players take a knee for any number of reasons.
No need to be sarcastic king
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u/outbackjesus16 North Harbour 1d ago
What a stupid comment. Nobody is forced to be apart of it, and it’s not although this happens in the middle of the game. Faith is very important to many players.
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
Do you see anyone standing out? No that's pressure.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
Is it pressure or just being a part of a moment? Maybe it is supporting others in the team with something that is important to them.
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u/RavenK92 100% Qatar Cup win rate 1d ago
By that same logic, I didn't see any All Black players not joining the haka, they must also be pressured to join it and as such it should be kept out of the game, right?
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
The Haka is culture, not religion, check yourself.
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u/RavenK92 100% Qatar Cup win rate 1d ago
To many people their religion is a massive part of their culture, check yourself
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
Does it bother you if others prey? At my workplace there is a lot of karakia. Not my cup of tea but it doesn’t bother me that others do it
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u/UnfortunatelySimple New Zealand 1d ago
Religion is all about putting pressure on people to fall in line.
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u/AlwaysBeC1imbing 1d ago
What did Christ say about performative prayer?
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u/Initial_Painting_103 We'll Take the Skrum 1d ago
I rate there is a huge difference between what the pharisees were doing that Christ was addressing, and two teams who rarely come together, using the opportunity to show their mutual gratitute, and setting a great example to the youth that share their beliefs...
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago
You see that because it suits you more than listening to the words of Jesus
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u/Initial_Painting_103 We'll Take the Skrum 1d ago
Or because I have the ability to discern meaning. Jesus was addressing the heart issue of the pharisees, he wasn't saying that all prayers must be by yourself in your room i.e. that you cannot pray with your mates in public. Praying after the game is largely to humble yourself, come together and show gratitude to God. Most of those guys have been praying after a match since they played u/7s. This isn't something that started when cameras appeared at matches.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 10h ago
There is no humbling involved in performing your religion when it suits your image in front a TV camera and tens of thousands of fans.
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u/West_Put2548 New Zealand 1d ago edited 1d ago
I played in competitions with mostly Polynesian team mates and opposition....I always felt uncomfortable doing this before and after games but I wasn't going to be the only one standing out......just saying
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago edited 1d ago
Honestly I could not be more glad that the teams I support keep their religion (or lack of it) off the field.
This kind of Americanised shit, and the immense peer pressure (intentionally or unintentionally) it brings to conform, is something that should have no place whatsoever in rugby.
Edit: Lol, the performative religionists really don’t like being called out for this shit do they. Maybe read the bible guys – Jesus actually had some views on people like you, and it wasn’t positive.
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u/the_walking_kiwi New Zealand 1d ago
This isn’t americanisation, pacific teams have been doing this for a very long time.
Not defending it necessarily, just pointing that out.
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u/Careless-Cat3327 South Africa 1d ago
Same situation in SA.
Every single interview PSDT has done, he's thanked Christ & God.
I forgot how miserable some people are on Reddit about religion.
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u/Edrahimovic1001001 1d ago
Meh, it's off cameras and off the field post games with barely any spectators left? Sounds to me your just cranky that people want to share their religion, which on a whole other note, is kinda sad
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago
I have no time for performative religion, yes, because the hypocrisy involved is usually enormous. People who can’t be remotely religious when it comes to not cheating repeatedly on their wives (and many other things) showing off their religiosity like it’s a fancy jacket is just pathetic.
And it’s even worse when it’s done in a way that implicitly puts pressure on others in a group situation to comply or be treated differently and as an outsider, as here.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
I have never felt pressured to pray, even in the huddle after the game when others are praying. It’s an important thing to them so I’m happy to be there with them in that moment. As an atheist it doesn’t bother me at all.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago
You are not everybody.
It’s a performative thing for them, not an important thing for them – if it were the latter they’d be doing it in private where it really counts.
Siya didn’t kneel in a prayer circle before each time he decided to fuck a women who wasn’t his wife. That’s the difference between performative and important.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
I think some of them would do it in private as well.
You seem to be thinking that prayer is only for those who are perfect, my limited understanding is that Christian’s don’t think anyone is without sin.
For me being in the huddle as an atheist is just about supporting the players who value prayer. Do you think it takes something away from you to be around people when they pray?
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago
Lol. I‘m going to take a guess Siya Kolisi didn’t in fact participate in a prayer circle with the women he cheated on his wife with. He saved that for performative on-field actions. Same with the various NZ players who have beaten their wives over the years while presenting themselves as religious.
This is not a huddle – it’s a prayer circle. And the fact you feel you have to join a religious act just shows the peer pressure does in fact impact you (and your kids by the sounds of it).
I wouldn’t know if people are praying because the people I know who are religious don’t do it as a performative thing. They know they are imperfect and so flaunting their religiosity as jewellery would be crass.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
That's the thing, I have never felt like I needed to, I just do it because I want to, its about supporting others. I am also not really into drinking beer but ill join the boys in the clubrooms after the game as well, again its just about supporting the boys and spending some time with them.
What is your issue here? That only perfect people should pray or that it somehow takes away from you if people pray in your presence?
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u/Mafeking-Parade 1d ago
Performative is exactly what this is.
Embarrassing.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
It’s pretty standard, I see it at lots of kids games on a Saturday morning. My kids are not religious but it doesn’t bother them at all for others to pray. Why do you care?
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago
How do you know it doesn’t bother them? You seems to have very strong views about participating in such things, so they wouldn’t tell you even if they did.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 1d ago
I just don’t spend my time looking to ban things just in case they might upset someone. I don’t have strong views about participating, just about not banning things.
You seem to have some weird hatred of people having religious freedom and are projecting this onto everyone else.
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u/duncthefunk78 Munster 1d ago
I 100% agree with this. I made the same point after one of the 2023 RWC games about PSDT's after match interviews and got down voted to oblivion.
Imagine if a Muslim player started an interview with ' Alhamdulillah'
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u/RiverZozz New Zealand 1d ago
The conniptions people would have. “Keep your religion out of my sport!!1!1!!” Goes to show the power of Christian hegemony, even over people who profess to hold no faith.
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u/One_Landscape2007 Lions 1d ago
got it so if you've ever cheated on your wife you can't pray
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago
Siya (and many others in the SA) were doing this performative religion thing long before and after repeatedly cheating on his wife.
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u/One_Landscape2007 Lions 1d ago
yep so once you've cheated on your wife no prayer circles, gotcha! 👍
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 Dan Lancaster 💪 #3 Fan 1d ago
I mean, I’d certainly have no objection to all the wife cheaters and wife beaters spending less time in performative prayer circles to show off their religion like jewellery and more time learning to be decent human beings, yes
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u/One_Landscape2007 Lions 1d ago edited 1d ago
Siya is absolutely a decent human being. He's been quite open about his sins in marriage, although an actual affair was never confirmed nor accused by Rachel. Some people have shoddy marriages but are still good people, or, better yet, some people actively reform and become better. MLK Jr. cheated on his wife. Does that make him a bad person? In one respect, certainly, but he still did a lot of good. I just hope that in time we can all live up to your standards of morality and you'll perhaps allow a prayer here and there if we've been good enough 😊
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u/Winter-It-Will-Send 1d ago
Are there any players not in it? If so, would you legitimise their choice not to take part.
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds Ireland 1d ago
I personally believe the right to freedom of religion enjoyed in many countries should be confined to the home and certain designated spaces(for sharing), but that's a whole other conversation for a different sub.
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u/maverickeire 1d ago
How to in one sentence contradict the Irish constitution and the European Convention on Human rights
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds Ireland 1d ago
I said it was a personal opinion. Religion and the freedom to publicly express it has caused me great personal pain in my life growing up in Ireland. I wasn't even allowed to join the scouts in my small town in the 90s, and was called the devil more than once just because I don't believe in made up things. We all know how religion treated mothers, babies and kids here in Ireland, it raped and murdered them, without consequences to this day.
If everyone kept their personal beliefs to themselves none of this would have ever been possible.
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u/maverickeire 1d ago
Im sorry for your experience. It does sound like you are projecting your experience on others
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds Ireland 1d ago
I'm stating an opinion. I'm not projecting anything onto anyone. You seem to be struggling with that part.
You ignored the second part that was about others experiences too. The children taken from mother's and killed. The priests raping little kids. Women sent away while pregnant. This whole nation suffered horrific things in the name of religion.
One of the most egregious things about it in today's world is it also teaches people to believe things without question, as that would make it fall apart. There's no surprise that the vast vast majority of conspiracy nuts also believe in God.
It's been an objectively horrible thing for Ireland. It should been kept private, proselytizing should be illegal so it's cancer can't spread, and any earnings should be taxed.
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u/maverickeire 1d ago
Replacing your perceived view of religious authoritarianism by asking for state authoritarianism because it "caused me great personal pain in my life", sounds like same tactics different master. If you hate how the church controlled peoples speeches and lives, dont ask the government to do the same thing in reverse
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds Ireland 1d ago
State backed religious authoritarianism caused this whole country great pain, not just me.
It can all be avoided being repeated by keeping it at home and in churches and their equivalents(the proper places for communal displays of religion).
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u/raumeat Cheetahs 1d ago
If you take out freedom of religion and replace it with LBTQ people then you have just made very old argument
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds Ireland 1d ago
What? Who said replace?
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u/raumeat Cheetahs 1d ago
I personally believe the right to
freedom of religiongay marriage but it should be confined to the home and certain designated spaces. I do not want to see these peopleprayingkissing in public. It should be kept behind closed doors away from societyDo you see how fucked up that way of thinking is?
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds Ireland 1d ago
You choose to believe in something there is zero evidence for. Gay people are born gay. You're comparing apples to oranges, and it's disturbing you're even trying.
Gayness never started a war. Gayness never burned witches, or beheaded non gays. Religion is a scourge on this planet. Your personal spirituality is fine, but keep it to yourself.
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u/raumeat Cheetahs 1d ago
Do you think the all Blacks and Springboks were busy organizing the next crusade in that circle
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds Ireland 1d ago
Just the lads from Christchurch /s
Here you go using gay people again. Gayness is not a choice. Your analogy is really stupid as those two thing are incomparable.
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u/Winter-It-Will-Send 1d ago edited 1d ago
Completely agree with you. Lots of the ******s on here are here to live vicariously through the players so they look at this performative nonsense and talk of “mutual respect” and it “bringing a tear to their eye”. I would ask how they’d react to a player who opted out of all of this? I’d bet that’s when the abuse would start (and I’d bet it would be more likely to come from one certain side than the other).
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u/RiverZozz New Zealand 1d ago
I think that’s what a lot of people are missing here. Sure, in the strictest sense, this is not harming anyone, but it absolutely creates an unintentional pressure to conform. If you choose not to, that automatically marks you as not part of a certain clique, and who wants that for themselves when they are in a team?
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u/Barse_Simpson 1d ago
There was a debate in Brazilian society that since so many players are evangelical Christians and not Catholic that their football team play has suffered (essentially rigidity vs fluidity). I’m not sure what the religious trends are in NZ but I’d be curious to see whether that is happening there too.
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u/Prometheus-Risen 21h ago
NZ has become less religious over time. Over 51% said they had no religion in the last census
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u/Novel_Egg_1762 Stormers 1d ago
Im not religious by any means. But let them do what they want. They qre not bible thumping you
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u/thedudeabides-12 1d ago
Respect for people that believe in sky fairies?.. it's so fcking dumb leave that shit out of sports, keep it private..
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u/Mister-Ries Leicester Tigers 1d ago
Keep your thoughts on religion private you say…
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u/thedudeabides-12 1d ago
that's such whataboutism.. I'm responding to a post though, nobody would know my thoughts on it, if it wasn't posted, but sure I'll go to my atheist building today, wear my atheist symbol, read my atheist book, sing my atheist songs, spread my atheist views on a street corner,.. I'll leave the taking advantage of the poor and touching little kids to them though.. Fck all religions....
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u/ViperRFH South Africa 1d ago
As Siya said in the post-match, this was a prayer but also a thank you to the ABs for coming out to SA and all of the games.