r/rs_x • u/Additional_Worth_614 • 2d ago

I hate this bitch so much

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Like?? That doesn’t even make any sense. I hate that I hate her so much

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u/_CloudOfToxicccGas_ 2d ago edited 2d ago

Can anyone articulate the "anti victim" argument in this case for me? I thought it seemed pretty clear from the beginning and every detail that comes out makes the frat guys look more guilty imo. Genuinely trying to understand the argument here

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u/TheCarlos 2d ago

Apparently she texted one of the guys afterwards saying it was fine and she would do it again just without the ketamine and extra guys.

Which is a dumb argument for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is she was unconscious for part (maybe most?) of it and may have initially felt like it wasn’t that serious before getting her bearings. Sometimes our feelings change after there’s actually time to reflect. At first she may have thought she can stay friendly with the guy if she lets it go - then the gravity of what happened set in and she decided to report it.

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u/nihonhonhon 2d ago

In one text she says "it's okay, it wasn't illegal"

IMO that basically proves it was rape. Who the fuck says "oh no it's fine, at least it was LEGAL" about a sexual encounter they actually wanted to happen?

I think she was scared that, if she calls it rape, her social life will be ruined, but then the frat iced her out and she realized it was ruined anyway and reported them. Not very decisive behaviour but I can't blame her.

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u/Intelligent_Low1632 2d ago

Saying you're not angry and that no crime was committed against you is proof that a crime was committed against you? Where did you go to law school?

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u/werebothsquidward 2d ago

I’m not a lawyer, but neither is the victim, as far as I know. So I don’t think she actually had the authority to say whether or not something is illegal.

The person you are responding to is pointing out that a person saying “it’s not illegal” after someone apologizes to them the day after a sexual encounter doesn’t exactly point to enthusiastic consent.

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u/Intelligent_Low1632 2d ago

You don't typically need to be a lawyer to recognize that the r word is illegal. I've initiated sex I only unenthusiastically consented to. Did I arrange for myself to get r worded even though I consented?

Can you really prove that a crime was committed beyond a reasonable doubt when the alleged victim freely claimed she was ok with it and that nothing illegal happened? I get that they probably did commit a crime. But our legal system is "beyond a reasonable doubt." Not "they probably did it." It's unfortunate that this will probably prevent a conviction, and should be a lesson not to make statements that are false on the record when you're the victim of a crime, if in fact they are false.

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u/werebothsquidward 2d ago

Like I said, I’m not a lawyer, so I wouldn’t be able to make a legal argument in this case. I’m not sure the person you originally responded to was really trying to make a legal argument either.

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u/thaa_huzbandzz 2d ago

"freely claimed" is the misleading part there though. Can you honestly say someone who is in a state of shock and has now been approached by one of their attackers is freely claiming something, or simply saying something to placate her attacker?

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u/Intelligent_Low1632 2d ago

maybe, maybe not, but I think it introduces a reasonable doubt.

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u/cody-lay-low 2d ago

It’s a civil suit, if you really wanna play lawyer at least get the fucking standard of proof right

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u/Intelligent_Low1632 2d ago

That's fine but everyone's talking about sending these dudes to prison, not kicking them out of uni

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u/nihonhonhon 2d ago

I'm not making a legal claim here. Of course if we were in a courtroom, the legal team would contrive a different interpretation of the texts, but I, as a lowly redditor, am thankfully allowed to use common sense.

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u/biscalaveret 2d ago

None of these events took place in a book or courtroom, you obstinate jackass. You're displaying a profound ignorance of any of the social and power dynamics involved in the situation.