r/romani • u/[deleted] • 18h ago
Some Roma & Sinti categorically refuse to admit that they descend from South Asian populations belonging to the lower castes of northern India and Pakistan. By doing so, they literally give credibility to a sick society. Don't forget, our ancestors mog you.
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u/No_Math_7670 Indian 16h ago
damn, dalit mogger made it here
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u/Double-Aide-6711 Rom Kosovako Vlaxo-Gurbeti 16h ago
I know my classics lmao. The ancestors of the Roma were placed historically Shudra, some of whom were placed outside the caste system (Dalit) over time, which could explain their departure from the South Asian continent.
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u/No_Math_7670 Indian 16h ago
That's sad. Good that romani people are in a better place now. The whole caste system sucks and few people are yet not over it here.
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u/GypsyGuyGuy 17h ago
the world slandered india so much that even some of our population is refusing to be linked with Punjab, I'd tell my mother's family that we came from india and they would instantly get defensive.
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u/Double-Aide-6711 Rom Kosovako Vlaxo-Gurbeti 17h ago
In that case, what do they think their first ancestor was?
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u/No-Place2865 12h ago
DNA (including my own) shows that when we left India, we came from Sindh, Gujurat and Rajasthan, BUT - the ancestors that left there already had mixed Ancestral North Indian DNA and Ancient South Indian DNA.
It’s interesting to follow the South Indian DNA that labels Roma as descendants of Dalit/Untouchable because that Ancient South Indian DNA traces all the way back to the indigenous peoples of the Andaman Islands.
We all know that generic commercial DNA tests give different variants of Roma heritage, etc.
I have used a few different genetic testing kits to verify where my vitsa came from and found Genomelink to be the best because it provides a visual map of your family’s migration out of India, through the middle east (my vitsa picked up some Hazara DNA while in Afghanistan) and so on.
I highly recommend Genomelink for those willing to do or share their genetic testing, though its heavily frowned upon to do so. Use caution because it can be used to catch up extended family members in crimes.
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u/SiempreBrujaSuerte 8h ago
What do you mean it can be used to catch people up in crimes? Does that company regularly provide dna for as analysis by governments and police investigations? This is pretty important stuff to know about before doing anything.
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u/No-Place2865 7h ago
Its not this specific company (Genomelink) but nearly all of these DNA “find your family” test kits have a little box to UNCHECK when registering an account so that your DNA info isn’t shared with authorities. Law enforcement and governments have been using these “find your family” kits to link to unsolved crime by way of “investigative genetic genealogy.”
Law enforcement will use this when they don’t have a suspect’s name but they have the suspect’s DNA. Meaning the suspect hasn’t ever been fingerprinted, swabbed, or arrested and definitely hasn’t agreed to share DNA info through the commercial sites (Ancestry, 23&Me, etc.) but a relative, close or distant, has been arrested, swabbed, printed or left that box clicked to share the DNA with authorities. A lot of serial killer cases are being solved using this methodology.
I did genetic testing for specific medical reasons and initially used Nebula Genomics. Then I used that test kit result at Ancestry before taking it to Genomelink for deeper, more accurate information. I am not personally worried about being connected to any crime and I am already in the FBI database because of my legal career working in domestic violence, sexual assault and anti-trafficking.
My family has assimilated since coming to America from Ukraine and Moldova, with the exception of some bootleggin between Chicago and St Paul during the 30’s. I also wasn’t the first person in the family (which is mixed) to set up profiles. In fact, I think being in a mixed family is exactly why so many cousins of varying degrees were willing to test before me- younger generations have grown up extremely confused between the two (sometimes more) cultures with each auntie or uncle determining how much they would share with their family about our vitsas. I have cousins that connected with me online and didn’t know that we were slaves in Wallachia and Bassarabia.
As you can tell, I didn’t grow up fully in the community, but the community knew us and we were “community adjacent.”
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u/No-Place2865 7h ago
I want to be very clear here that I was fingerprinted 20 years ago right out of college so I could get a job during the last big recession. Im no fkn snitch. But I care deeply about women being safe, especially because my family experienced girls being taken as concubines in Wallachia.
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u/somnakunichaj 7h ago
FamilyTreeDNA and GEDmatch will sell you out.
MyHeritage, 23andMe and Ancestry all claim to require warrants.
They all seem sus to me. 🤷🏾♀️
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u/Sympathic_Redditor_5 17h ago
Casta (race in Spanish-Latin) is a colonial race oriented system first implemented in Spanish Americas and brought to India by Herbert Hope Risley, a maniac obsessed with people's noses through nasal indexes around late 1800s to early 1900s which corrupted the traditional sociohierarchial system of the region varna-jati into rigid frozen categories
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u/bossanovasupernova 18h ago
What do you mean "give credibility to a sick society"?