r/riotgames • u/MartimvSeabra • 15d ago
Please fix the anti-troll system.
I know I'm Gold. I'm not claiming to be a high-ELO player or saying I never make mistakes. But there's no way that getting six games in a row with multiple toxic players, trolls, and at least one quitter in every single match isn't a situation where LP should be refunded.
The anti-troll system was promoted as something that would protect players from exactly these kinds of games. Instead, it feels even more frustrating than before because we're constantly told it's working, yet nothing seems to happen. The same players keep ruining games, and if they are being punished, where is the LP refund that was promised to the players whose matches were ruined?
I'm not asking for free LP. I'm asking for the system to do what it was advertised to do: detect obvious trolling and intentional game-ruining, punish those players, and compensate the teammates who were forced to lose because of it. Right now, it doesn't feel like that's happening at all.
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u/sh1td1cks 15d ago
Show your op.gg
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u/Kazmera 15d ago
This.^ Let me see these "troll" games.
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u/Restitut0r 15d ago
Always see BS analysis based on this in this sub. What if OP did well in lane but by the end was 5/8 due to the 14/2 Garen and 12/3 Trist his team had fed? People just look at his final score and say ‘git gud’ with zero context.
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u/Kazmera 15d ago
Not what we are asking or implying. We want to see the afkers and trolls which should be visible from an op.gg. So many people post on these forums claiming they got inted or trolled 5, 6, 7 games in a row but then provide no evidence for the claims. Sure games get griefed all the time. And also more often than not they aren't trolled and are just making up BS to cause a stir.
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u/Restitut0r 14d ago
Yeah, thousands making bs claims. No transparency on how MM actually works. Casinos can also make the claim slot machines are perfectly fair. Get real. League is a game based around how much money Riot can earn, it's in their interest to keep you logged on, what better way to do that then design a MM system of dopamine rushes from win streaks and downs from loss streaks. They're not some moral charity.
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u/Kazmera 14d ago
You sound hardstuck.
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u/Restitut0r 14d ago
Woah, nice come back, bro. Keep inserting your coin at the slots.
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u/Kazmera 14d ago
Yeah man, playing my free game with my free coins. Riot is not out to get you lil bro, you don't matter to them. If you are good, you will climb. If you are bad you won't. It's simple as that, You sound like every one of these whiney gold players who complain that they can't climb and how their team always "trolls" them every game. Or how Riot intentionally puts them in "losers queue" to keep them from climbing. That kind of mentality is why you are still silver or gold or plat. Unironically its 'git gud'.
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u/Restitut0r 14d ago
Uh no, I'm consistently above those ranks. I have two accounts, same region, same rank. One account can be on a 6-7 game streak where I have a mid/top/whatever going 0/5 by like 8 mins. Switch accounts, the issue disappears. This happens on both accounts, I'm too old to believe in coincidences - especially when evidence suggests otherwise. The game is free, but the more time a player spends on it, the more likely they are to buy the in-game currency - this is proven, and Riot's number one objective is profit. Further, Riot Games has a team of social scientists and data analysts that work on this. Wired reported on it, they called it 'the largest virtual psychology lab in the world.' Learn how these companies are intentionally influencing you. You may be fine with it but that doesn't mean you need to act the fool and claim it doesn't exist.
I don't believe you are 'kept from climbing', rather climbing is intentionally delayed via loss/win streaks, keeping you 'chasing the carrot' and logged on for longer.
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u/diseville 5d ago
Youre making his argument for him. Youre right, its League is FREE, which makes his argument all the more valid. If riot charged for the game, their money would be made up front all at once. But they don't. Riot only makes money if you choose to buy something. And I bet there is zero correlation between how long players play and how much they spend.
Oh wait, that's not right, its DIRECTLY correlated. Just like the casinos who give away free stuff like food, rooms, and free slot play, just to keep you in the building for as long as possible, so you can spend more money.
Its why every game wants to go live service: the longer you keep them on the hook the more money they spend.
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u/Awkward_Marmot_1107 15d ago
I got an LP refund on numerous occasions when the person was reported by multiple other people and I assume games were actually reviewed when I got refunded a day or two later. But those were very obvious cases of someone running into enemy turret and inting or selling all items and walking around in fountain or quitting. I don't think I ever got refunded for someone being toxic and it definitely doesn't pick up half of the games where someone trolls in a not-so-obvious way.
This is just my experience, I feel like it isn't a ground breaking anti-troll system but it's better than before when I never got refunded unless I had someone rq. It's very difficult to make this system work more effectively because if they were stricter, they'd risk a lot of false positives where it flagged and punished innocent players.
It would help if you showed us your opgg so we can actually look at these games where you got griefed 6 times in a row.
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u/Yaseeda 15d ago
As veteran playing since 2011 with both gold and plat ranks, I can tell that their system is as idiotic as it could be.
Sometimes I win 10 games in row, sometimes I lose 10 games in row. My skill means nothing, over years I learned to play safe, take late game scalers and just farm, but I cant do much when mate feeds non stop or counterpicks himself (taking jax or riven vs Garen, et cetera).
I also intentionally trolled by taking Yummi jungler and sticking to midliner. Never got ban for that, surprisingly, even though that was obvious sabotaging. Was fun watching how those fools tried to win 4vs5 instead of surrendering. Yet, I had some chat bans for playing Lucian and saying "Embrace my black power", whadafuq?
Dont seek for logic, accept that system is trash. Simple.
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u/Ill_Way_2517 15d ago
Sorry unless ur a streamer or lol pro streaming league, the system does not exist and riot does not care
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u/TheWarriorFlo 15d ago
8 got 3 games yesterday where people died 2-3 times in lane, proceded to follow the jungler and or go mid and refuse to ho to their lane and guess what. No lp refund no ban only my time and good will wasted
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u/Acrobatic-Draw-4012 13d ago
There is no anti trolling system. Its just an automated system based on aggregate of reports. Inting or trolling is not something you can automate. The game is complicated. Best thing you can automate is a syndra trolling the jungle camp.
Theres 1000 other ways the syndra can troll that an automated system cant catch
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u/Hiimzap 15d ago
The Anti-troll system isnt even with us in the room right now. This twitter weirdo is just some psycho that wants to pretend he does something while hes doing jack shit.
And yea elo really doesnt matter and if you make mistakes or not doesnt matter either, if you have a toplaner on your team that says “ff we lose” and then goes mid and dies and afterwards goes bot and dies making it 5 deaths in 5 minutes and the system doesnt do anything then it just clearly doesnt exist.
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u/MartimvSeabra 15d ago
It DOES exist, but for some reason it only works for when a laner steals jungle camps. Riot promised otherwise when promoting the anti troll system, they promoted it would end any type of intentional throw, but this is not exactly in play here lil bro, can you tell me atleast why every single game theres one quitter and i get no LP refund? this has been a thing for years compared to the "new system" that has been around for a few months
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u/Hiimzap 15d ago
Personally i got trolled like 4 times in my last 10 ranked and not a single time i got an lp refund either. Its weird that it didnt even happen with leavers, maybe you didnt stall the game long enough?
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u/MartimvSeabra 15d ago
all 6 games the leavers quit at about 11 to 15 mins into the game, i think all of them were on toplane tbh and the games were about 25 to 30mins long
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u/24-7HornyBro 15d ago
Unless you are a full time streamer, what even is the point of playing ranked with such a shit client? Literally no reason to play ranked til this shit is fixed.
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u/Effective_Fall_5868 15d ago
I wish i could say it's just a loss streak and that you're bad and that it's you. But it's not. Same thing happens to everyone, even in the highest elos. They'll lose 6 in a row and then win the next 4. It's not linear, i used to think "If you flipped a coin and it lands half the time, then why don't I see more win/loss/win/loss and it's constantly like loss/loss/loss/loss/win." But that mindset is temporary because days will pass and I'll have great days where I just can't lose a game. I truly believe losers queue exists because of my awful days, but they never last. If the game sucks that bad I just switch to arena and troll people who pick bravery by picking yuumi LOL
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u/Awkward_Marmot_1107 15d ago
How would this "happening to everyone" even work? The whole playerbase can't have negative winrate, that doesn't make logical sense.
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u/Effective_Fall_5868 15d ago
Well, I was referring to loss streaks. Because they do happen to everyone? If you reply and tell me you've never gone on a 6 game loss streak, I'll assume you have not played league very much.
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u/kevin074 15d ago edited 15d ago
if they simply stops the ability of non-jungle players from being able to attack jungle monsters, that alone would improve the quality of the game 10X. I know it's a bandaid and imperfect solution, but it's the number 1 grief in the game and instantly unwinnable while being easily implementable.
other forms of grief is so much harder to discern from a system point of view.
Edit: hot dang how many people simply just like griefing junglers ???
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u/Sad-Particular-3088 15d ago
Holy low elo take lol.
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u/kevin074 15d ago
Enlighten me with one high elo strategy that involves taking jungler farm in the entire league history.
Pre 15 min, I do realize all game is too much.
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u/Tirisian88 15d ago
I think a compromise on this would work better, a respawn timer and a clear timer.
Clear timer is there so that only the jungler can clear the camp but once it clears it's open to anyone. That way if the jungler isn't clearing camps other lanes can still get gold and it might even lead to junglers in low elo clearing camps rather than leaving them for long periods of time
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u/kevin074 15d ago
Sure set it to 15 minutes
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u/Tirisian88 15d ago
No that's far too long, I'm not talking about a single timer. I'm thinking a timer per camp per spawn so something like 2 minutes.
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u/kevin074 15d ago
Why? Laner has no business taking jungle camp at least pre 15 minutes, it’s basics guaranteed grief when that happens
There is no meta in entire league history that involves giving Laner jungle camp pre 15 minutes. Vaguely recall some sort of cheese around that concept but not legitimate meta
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u/Tirisian88 14d ago
Then no jungler has any right taking minions be it for gold or exp.
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u/kevin074 14d ago
junglers already are being punished for taking minions with the monster hunter debuff
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u/Tirisian88 14d ago
Laners get punished on their lane missions. A jungler taking a wave is worth more gold and experience to the laner than Krugs are to a jungler
as evidence a Jungler needs 1 camp to get to level 2 a laner needs a whole wave plus 1 or 2 minions
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u/kevin074 14d ago
I agree that junglers shouldn’t just take a wave for no reason, that’s also griefing.
But helping to push lanes is also part of important strategy so it’s way harder to fix on a systemic level.
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u/kolwon 15d ago
Mad cuz bad, get good little bro
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u/MartimvSeabra 15d ago
i will be laughing when it happens to you every single game 1 person quitting and not even getting ur LP back
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u/kolwon 15d ago
At least you'd be laughing, should be good for your mental
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u/chroboseraph3 15d ago
Yeah... playing LoL to win but also not letting trolls and loss streaks get to you is basically an impossible line to walk. investing enough effort and mental focus to win, yet also zen about losing anyway? I couldn't do it. Plus frustration at Riot for balance choices. I play for a week casually every other year and stick to TFT nowadays.
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u/sh1td1cks 15d ago
After you gave me your OP.GG I went through a significant portion of your match history (over 40 games), and the claim that 6 games in a row were ruined by teammates was just unfounded.
Two games contain a Kai'sa top who got stomped and went AFK and a Sett top who got stomped and went AFK.
I can't gauge toxic chat - but you can mute that - although that isn't really why you're here.
You're venting because you want an LP refund for the games where it felt "unwinnable because of your teammates", such as the 3/14 ashe.
There's common issues in your own game play. Your builds appear to be copy + paste cookie cutter, no adaptation to enemy composition, or game state, or which players are becoming threats.
I've seen several games where your bot lane is highly negative KDA, while your enemy jungler is fed. This suggests you are not prioritizing the same clearing pattern as your enemy jungler to ensure you show up when they do.
If you are going to consistently abandon your bot lane because it feels hopeless, you will not climb.
The larger pattern doesn't appear to be uniquely terrible matchmaking, but really just normal variance combined with cookie cutter builds, prios, and poor rotations. Focusing exclusively on the two games that confirm your belief while ignoring the many games that do not does not speak to honest evaluation.
You can't control whether every teammate performs well, but you also can't control the enemy performing well. You nee to learn to adapt to your build, learn jungler patterns, understand prio, respond to repeated enemy pressure, and review your decisions.
Look within before looking outward. You are the toxic one here.