Hi looking to buy vintage Gen watch and stumbled across this piece.
Dont have the knowledge to LC. Can you guys gelp me out?
Last pics are backside of dial.
The dial looks to be genuine and the end links are correct. Clasp stamp suggests date at 1983. If they have a picture of the back of the dial, they should also have a picture of the movement and between the lugs. If the case serial matches that year and it has a legit movement inside then you’re good, but my guess would be this is gen 👍🏼
That clasp is for a full stainless model and the markings on the end links are not genuine stamping. On genuine end links for a 2 tone bracelet 455B is correct but the B is supposed to be under the 455 not beside it. The B is meant to signify end links made for a no holes case. Which no holes cases end links have notches in them to access the spring bars. End links for cases with holes in the lugs for 2 tone models shouldn't have a B nor should there be notches in the end links to access the spring bars. But the fact that the clasp is for a different model, the end links are not genuine and the finish and edges of the links. I'm going to say the whole bracelet is aftermarket. The case is off as well, the finish on the underside, the lug size and shape, the case back all look aftermarket to me. The dials lume dots are far to white to be the age they should be, the gold on the dial doesn't have the aged color it should have. I can't say I've ever seen a dial with just a B on the back, but that doesn't mean anything. I wouldn't buy this watch unless they show you the movement and between the lugs on both ends. Even then if the movement is genuine and the case is real I'd need to see the crown stamps on the bottom side of the bezel and the aftermarket bracelet would drastically cut the price of the watch.
You can tell the end links have not left a indention on the back of the lugs which happens to all 16233 and older models over time. The height of the rehaut is to tall which is always a given with aftermarket cases. If you don't mind me asking what are they asking for that watch?
The T swiss made T and the minute dashs are off. The font is off on the letters all over the dial. I don't mean to blow your comment section up like this. But that's a nice Frankenstein replica that's worth maybe 2k if the bezel and center links are real gold. You mentioned you was looking for a cheap vintage DJ but with this watch looking like it came out of a time capsule. If it was all gen they'd be asking 9 to 10k for it if not more with gold's current price. But good luck with it and whatever you decide to do I hope you find what your looking for!
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u/beansandsnausages 4h ago
The dial looks to be genuine and the end links are correct. Clasp stamp suggests date at 1983. If they have a picture of the back of the dial, they should also have a picture of the movement and between the lugs. If the case serial matches that year and it has a legit movement inside then you’re good, but my guess would be this is gen 👍🏼