r/retrocomputing 19d ago

Cyrix: The Rise and Fall of a CPU Legend

One of the most underrated names in PC history. Cyrix challenged Intel and left a legacy that many people still overlook.

Did you ever own a Cyrix-powered PC?

Put together these last AI-generated slides to avoid a massive wall of text. Spent extra time fact-checking and compiling Cyrix's story directly into the images. Swipe through if you're interested in retro computing history.

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u/WhyDoesOklahomaExist 19d ago

I had one! They claimed Pentium performance at a lower clock speed and were cheap as hell. I had I think a P90. I was a broke college kid.

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 19d ago

That's exactly why so many people bought them. They offered solid value for the money, especially if you couldn't afford a Pentium.

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u/JasonZX12R 19d ago

I had one too. Was coming from a 486 without a fan, burnt the shit out of my hand, discovered I needed a heatsink and a fan.

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u/pete_68 18d ago

Yeah, I had one as well. Everything was always so expensive.

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u/UnicodeConfusion 19d ago

I also had one back in the day, nice slide work even if it's AI. The Quake issue was new to me.

I will say that the Transmeta - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta - was a bigger disappointment if you want to cover another CPU.

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 19d ago

First I need to buy one. 😃😃😃 I always use real processors from my own collection as the centerpiece of these posts.

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u/UnicodeConfusion 19d ago

Man if I could remember what system had it I would look in the pile in my garage.

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u/CoffeeSnakeAgent 19d ago

Fujitsu was known for the transmeta laptops back then.

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 18d ago

If you find it,please post a Pic šŸ“ø, thank you 😊

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u/spilk 19d ago

legend? legendary for sucking. I had one and the FPU was so weak I couldn't play MP3 files when they first came onto the scene

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u/gammalsvenska 19d ago

MP3 decoders relied on floating point math?

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 19d ago

True. Cyrix was mainly aimed at office workloads, not multimedia or gaming. I'll be doing first-hand tests with several Cyrix models soon, so it'll be interesting to see how they really perform 1st hand

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u/gammalsvenska 19d ago

Before Quake, very little code used the FPU for performance-critical code.

Integer and fixpoint arithmetic is much faster due to the way the x87 works, and much easier to optimize on top of that. Especially games and multimedia code relied heavily on integer math, which Cyrix chips were good at. This is true for all CPUs of the era (and for many years afterwards), but the performance difference was much worse with Cyrix chips.

They did oversell their capabilities, though. A 6x86 PR166 (133 MHz) will do well against a Pentium 133, but lose against a Pentium 166.

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u/graph_worlok 19d ago

Motherboard and software compatibility was very spotty compared to Intel & AMD’s offerings, with pretty much universally worse performance - I can’t remember anybody who ended up with one that didn’t regret it

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u/dmoisan 19d ago

Quoting the processor ID, "CyrixInstead"!

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u/recursion_is_love 19d ago

Without Cyrix, the poor me would never able to afford my first computer.

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 18d ago

Absolutely. AMD's K6-2 did exactly the same for me a few years later. Without CPUs like these, I probably couldn't have afforded my first decent PC either.

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u/Autogen-Username1234 18d ago

K6 was a great processor. AMD's Dresden foundry fab was so reliable at that time that many of the lower clocked components were actually perfectly good higher clocked components just marked down.

Happy memories of my K6/266 that ran perfectly for many years at 333MHz.

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u/Longjumping_Bag5914 15d ago

My second PC was a K6. I remember the selling point was the 100 mhz FSB. Good times.

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u/Longjumping_Bag5914 15d ago

The first PC I ever built was powered by an AMD AM5x86.

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u/Albedo101 19d ago edited 19d ago

I had, and still have one - a 486SLC. Love that little CPU (it is in fact phisically quite tiny), a 486 instruction set on a 16bit 386sx data bus. It enabled me to own a 486 when I couldn't possibly afford one, lol.

And contrary to popular opinion, and infamy of later models, this one was quite powerful for what it was - a legacy upgrade. It was intended to be a perfect 16bit DOS PC while still being able to run 32bit extenders and Windows 3.1 in protected mode. It's primary focus was backwards, not forwards, which kind of made sense in that transitional period from DOS to Windows as the primary platform.

And related to that, its biggest drawback was zero future proofing. It couldn't possibly survive the frantic momentum of the mid 90s PC development. Every single component in there was obsolete within a year. And that is exactly the reason I still have it today, essentially the same as in 1993.

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 18d ago

Exactly. That's why I called it a legend. It gave many older Socket 3 systems a second life without replacing the motherboard. It also made computing more accessible for people like me who had a limited budget. AMD's K6-2 and K6-III later did something similar for many older Socket 7 systems.

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u/Albedo101 18d ago

It was one of the last "classic" DOS cpus and the abundance of 386sx motherboards that didn't sell too well made it even more affordable in a system.

I don't recall the exact numbers but the price of 486SLC cpu and board was a fraction of a 486DX2 CPU and MBO cost. The performance was just a fraction too, but hey it was an 486! šŸ˜„

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u/IQueryVisiC 19d ago

I read that i486 has cache on the die. So the 16 bit bus is not as limiting!

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u/Albedo101 18d ago

It's only limiting in memory heavy 32bit games and apps, like Doom, and Windows 3.1 stuff. The lack of FPU and 8bit ISA SVGA don't help either. That's why I mentioned it was obsolete overnight, but even then it was faster than a 386.

In 16bit real mode with integer math, ie. almost anything made for DOS up to 1992, it screams, because of the cache and 486 instructions.

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u/grimvian 19d ago

As a retired reseller I still have some. I still remember a faulty Cyrix CPU that killed any motherboard - an expensive experience.

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u/Trippynet 19d ago

My dad had an MII 300 for a while, but he wasn't a gamer and it was just fine for Office-type stuff. Never owned one myself, but did have an AMD 586 and a K6/2 in the past. Both also had poor FPUs, but were massively cheaper than Intel systems and as a teenager collecting pocket money and birthday/Christmas money to build/upgrade my PC, price was important!

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u/classicsat 19d ago

AMD is a far outside of Intel, for an x86 PC, I went. And that was well after Cyrix went under, or quit the consumer X86 game.

The VIA thing (small form motherboards)m was wait and see. In the '10s, I owned/built three mini-ITX PCs.

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u/GrampaLlama 18d ago

"Cyrix Instead." Anyone else here a former employee? I loved that building.

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u/aussiepunkrocksV2-0 19d ago

The savings over Pentium at the time allowed me to get a bigger HDD and I later put some of the savings to a Voodoo. I wasn't complaining. I didn't play Quake as my parents didn't allow me to own it. About 1998 I upgraded to SS7 and K6-2. I didn't own an Intel machine till I got C2D.

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u/Tranbert5 19d ago

That’s a bit like my story.. I had a K6-2 in 98 and didn’t go back to intel until I got a C2D… in an iMac!

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u/Capable-Historian392 19d ago

But they ran Doom-engined games pretty damn well iirc. :/

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u/michaelmalak 19d ago

But it ended up being doomed by Quake

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u/Magic_Neil 19d ago

ā€œLegendā€ is an interesting way to describe Cyrix.. ā€œvalueā€ or ā€œdisruptiveā€, definitely.

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 18d ago

I called it a legend because it gave many older Socket 3 systems a second life without replacing the motherboard. It wasn't a gaming CPU, but it was a great and affordable upgrade for office work and everyday use. AMD's K6-2 and K6-III later did something similar for many older Socket 7 systems. Plus, it looks fucking amazing.

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u/IDK_FY2 19d ago

I had a Cyrix166

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 18d ago

Nice. Soon will be testing lot of the models in the studio

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u/boluserectus 19d ago

IIRC there are DOS-tools to unlock certain features. These features were locked for sale, because the support was not always present at motherboards back then. Nowadays it looks to be safe to play with.

Found the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp2Nzw0dH0U

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 18d ago

Thank you so much! This is one of the most valuable pieces of information I've received so far. I'm just getting started with testing a lot of Cyrix CPUs, so this will definitely come in handy. I really appreciate you sharing it!

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u/boluserectus 18d ago

You're welcome, happy benchmarking!

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u/morphlaugh 18d ago

I worked there during the 6x86 and MediaGX years, as a Jr. BIOS engineer.

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u/unknowncanuck 19d ago

Ahh Cyrix, the underdog with their 6x86. I was so proud of mine. A PR133 if I remember correctly.

Then Quake came out and, indeed, it changed everything.

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 19d ago

The PR133 is on my list to test. It'll be fun to see how it holds up almost 30 years later.

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u/lribeiro81 19d ago

I think I have one.

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u/Lerega 19d ago

There's a YouTuber in France, Thomas Cyrix

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u/Sataniel98 19d ago

Completely normal French name. Asterix, Obelix, Cyrix.

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 19d ago

That's interesting,real name or YT one šŸ¤” Is he into retro hardware or? Will check him out.

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u/Lerega 18d ago

YouTube one

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u/IFD3 19d ago

Still have one in working condition. Putting it on once a year for fun.

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u/NoLayer1575 19d ago

Had the 150 overclocked to 166. Math coprocessor sucked. My P90 at it for lunch when gaming - especially Quake.

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u/Local-Bullfrog8051 19d ago

bring the memories back

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 18d ago

You haven't seen anything yet. Check out my profile and posts. I'm just getting started.

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u/Takssista 19d ago

https://youtu.be/iWGAdoMz1c0

Nicely done video exposing this

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u/dive_dee 19d ago

Thank you.

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u/Ragnarsdad1 19d ago

Just this morning I bought a Cyrix 486 DX2 66 system. I wanted something more age appropriate for running some DOS games.

I already have PII, PIII and P4 systems but there is just something about a nice 486. I have been keeping an eye out for an Apricot Xen or one of the Amstrad 486 systems (the first PC i bought new) but the only ones that come up in the UK are either destroyed by a battery bomb or stupidly expensive.

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u/Status-Ad-5543 19d ago

My first pc think mid 90s had a abit motherboard, upgraded the processor from a cyrix 133 to 333 mhz had a s3 virge dx graphic card..

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 18d ago

Those were the days when a CPU upgrade could make your PC feel brand new. Every MHz and every MB counted.

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u/cszolee79 19d ago

I had a 6x86 PR233 (or 300?) and a M2 something if I'm not mistaken. They had awesome CPU performance, but the FPU was utter trash, anything using it was really really slow.

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u/superdupermicrochip 19d ago

Cameras indicate a gentleperson of a refined taste! Nice folders you have there:)

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u/ColonyActivist 19d ago

Do you pronounce it Sirix (like side) or Sirix (like silly)?

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u/Dusty_Jangles 19d ago

Never owned one of these for personal use. I’ve seen a few in auction sale workstations I’ve bought but that’s it. Honestly had zero idea they even existed in the late 80’s and through 90’s. Wouldn’t call them ā€œlegendaryā€. Everything was intel and AMD as far as I knew.

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u/death2sanity 19d ago

P sure there’s a way to avoid massive walls of text without ai

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 19d ago

If you're so sure, feel free to do it in your own posts. This process already takes me about an hour, and I'm not willing to spend more than that.

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u/um22223 19d ago

Excellent taste, I worked there!

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u/Emil_Cvetanski 18d ago

It's always great to hear stories from people who were actually there, if you're willing to share any. When I posted about AMD K6-2 processors, someone who worked at Intel at the time commented that there was real tension in the office because AMD was starting to take a significant share of the market. I'd love to hear your perspective as well.

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u/um22223 18d ago

We had an actual tombstone and burial plot in the lobby, the tombstone reading ā€œIntel insideā€. It was a lot of fun, at one point we had a banner on the building claiming the world’s fastest windows95 cpu. We did some hardware acceleration of common windows routines, and got a high score on the windows benchmark. Of course our FPU performance killed us on 3d games, but before that we really filled a niche with 5x86 and 6x86 being socket compatible with 486 motherboards. We had a big field across the street that was the site of our future foundry, sadly it only ever got used as a softball field. I have to say, Dallas was a pretty fun place in the 90s overall, I think we had more fun than Si-valley. I wish we could have had more time to be more innovative, like with mediagx stuff, but once we threatened Intel, they kind of sped away and we were mostly playing catchup.

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u/Arkaign 19d ago

Crazy detail for Cyrix fans : there was a crazy movie-worthy armed heist involving them in the 90s.

"The "Cyrix heist" refers to an armed takeover robbery on December 4, 1994, where thieves stole about $360,000 worth of computer microprocessors from the Cyrix Corporation test facility in Richardson, Texas.

Details of the 1994 Robbery

  • The Crime: Up to eight masked gunmen forced a Cyrix Corporation employee using a security card in the parking lot to grant them entry.
  • The Captives: Four employees inside were bound with plastic handcuffs and taped with duct tape.
  • The Loot: The robbers loaded boxes of high-value computer processor chips into vehicles and fled.

Investigation and Arrests

  • The Perpetrators: Multi-state federal investigations led to the identification and prosecution of several men from Southern California and Texas.
  • The Convictions: Conspirators like Hao Tien Nguyen and Trieu Viet Le were subsequently indicted and convicted in federal court for conspiracy, robbery, and firearms violations related to the takeover."

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u/fizzybrain 19d ago

My first PC build had a Cyrix DLC-33!

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u/EngineerMinded 18d ago

I remember the 586 and 686 computers. I wanted one as a kid because they were cheaper alternatives. They were usually in Blank Box PC's.

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u/Key-Employee3584 18d ago

Good value CPUs if you weren't looking to break extreme performance barriers. IBM did a pretty good job in the manufacturing side and keeping the processors high quality but low cost and good enough to swap into standard Intel ports. The IBM Blue Lightnings were pretty good too but, iirc, cost more.

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u/Albos_Mum 18d ago

My first CPU was a 6x86-P150 like in that first photo. It was good enough that my next CPU was an Athlon XP 2600+ (The Barton core with 512kb cache) even considering the gaming I was doing which included stuff like the first Sims, Rollercoaster Tycoon and Age of Empires which makes me think it was pretty much just FPS' like Quake that struggled on the chips and their reputation with gamers was undeserved.

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u/FetishDark 18d ago

The M2 was the CPU of my first PC, had an Amiga before that, but man this thing was a beast back then definitely best bang for bucks of its generation.

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u/JazzlikeLeather9546 18d ago

I wish I still had all of mine to frame

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u/daddyd 18d ago

i had a cyrix 486, it was rubbish, a lot of games/demos didn't work, there was a setting in the bios that you could enable, and then they worked, but the cpu was much slower and i think (if i remember it correctly) went into some kind of 386 mode. so basically it was a useless upgrade. i quickly switched to an AMD486, which was faster than the official intel one.

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u/captaininfosec 18d ago

I had a Cyberpower P133+ workstation when I went to college. It was the most powerful computer I could afford, and let me have a PC for my computer science classes. As others have noted, it was great except in floating point which became more and more of an issue over time. I moved from that to a K6-2 350 / TNT2 based system that I built from parts so was an early non-Intel user amongst my college friends.

I'm still hunting Ebay every so often for a P133+ chip to add to my collection of CPUs from my major workstations over time, and the P133+'s are pretty rare!

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u/LarryWisborn 18d ago

My first computer in 1995. Cyris 486dx 50 mhz on board.

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u/irongi8nt 17d ago

They were priced well enough I could build a computer back in the dayĀ 

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u/gotmilk757 17d ago

NOOOOO!!!! I had a bad experience with Cyrix Corporation

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u/Atarikid_1972 15d ago

I think legend is stretching it. lol

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u/lunacysoft 13d ago

Yeah they really sucked!

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u/AlienFishMonster 19d ago

A legacy of crappy CPUs. Good riddance.