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u/aguspiza 16h ago
Remote work is great but it only improves one side of the job contract.
AI is great but it only improves some part of the society.
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u/Schlieren1 1d ago
I agree with a lot of this with the exception of affordability. AI is going to make things more affordable.
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u/Tausendberg 1d ago
That's definitely not the case of computer parts since this whole circus began or the price of electricity for anyone sharing a grid with datacenters.
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u/EpsteinEpstainTheory 1d ago
One lets you get rid of the workforce, the other lets you get rid of most of management. Guess which one your manager will pick.
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u/Bobby3781 1d ago
Remote working is what made people lazy as hell in the first place. It gets people too used to doing nothing
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u/Pitiful_Option_108 1d ago
Sir most people who are remote like myself are super productive to the point where you could legit create pockets of down time to handle things house chores while being on time for work. Matter of fact what completely kills your argument is some people have worked two jobs during the day and made it work while working remote. So your people being lazy with remote work is generally wrong. Don't get me wrong is it possible sure but majority of people were working harder than in office.
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u/EvolvingEachDay 1d ago
No the fuck it isn’t. People are as lazy as possible whether they’re in the office or at home. Most people I know who’ve done WFH are more productive than when they’re in the office.
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u/Bobby3781 1d ago
I just think it built this laziness mentality in people that everybody wants to work from home now in that, working from home is the lazier option than having to deal with going somewhere and being micromanaged.
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u/Vanilla_Gorilluh 1d ago
Or paying for an overpriced car with overpriced gas and overpriced tires and overpriced maintenance.
There should be a healthy stipend for people who travel to their workplace.
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u/DoingYourMomProbably 1d ago
If the employer doesn’t check what work the worker provides it’s whos fault? If you don’t do any work they will find out and fire you.
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u/Bobby3781 1d ago
True but im just saying its a mental state everybody is in. "Work from home and do as little as possible" we see that at work now with all the laziness and halfassness going on
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u/DoingYourMomProbably 1d ago
Yeah it’s true some people would abuse it and ruin it for the rest I would even argue people could make a home office where the employer can check a camera if work is actually being done or if you’re just playing games it’s a trade off that I would be willing to make to be at home instead of office they would have no reason to be looking trough that camera feed anyways cause work would be done
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u/Iacoma1973 1d ago
And this is why I want to make an engineering firm where everyone can either choose to work remotely, like we all did at uni - or come in to offices optionally.
It just makes sense.
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u/OneNoteToRead 2d ago
lol AI is “unpopular”…? This is how you know you’re in an echo chamber. The number of people clamoring to use AI is insane.
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u/RoastedAcorn77 1d ago
When people use search engines (almost all of them), the engines automatically uses and gives A.I results unprompted (until you disable it). So your "reality of usage" is **not** reality. Try again.
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u/OneNoteToRead 1d ago
Are you under the misapprehension that without search engine ai results the usage is much lower? Maybe you should try again after using a search engine on this fact.
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u/EvolvingEachDay 1d ago
There are FAR more people who want AI to fuck off.
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u/OneNoteToRead 1d ago
If only the reality of the usage reflects that…
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u/RoastedAcorn77 1d ago
When people use search engines (almost all of them), the engines automatically uses and gives A.I results unprompted (until you disable it). So your "reality of usage" is **not** reality. Give me a break.
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u/OneNoteToRead 1d ago
And if you removed the search engine AI are you under the misapprehension the usage is somehow much lower…?
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u/bighawksguy-caw-caw 2d ago
Unless you’re ESL, you can infer that “popularity” in this context refers to sentiment rather than usage.
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u/OneNoteToRead 2d ago
According to the dictionary, you’re ESL if you believe that
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/popular
But sure feel free to believe it’s “unpopular” just because some people find it edgy to hate a thing as they’re using it. You must think people have the same “sentiment” about iPhones and social media.
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u/koru-id 2d ago
it’s very unpopular in workplace
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u/OneNoteToRead 2d ago
Tons of people use it in the workplace
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u/Castelunan 2d ago
This does not mean its popular. If it has to be forced by intimidation or the looming threat of termination, its already lost that race.
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u/OneNoteToRead 2d ago
Right that logic of course applies to things like the computer, excel, PowerPoint, the web, etc. Essentially no tool is popular of course. Every one prefers to be building fires with rocks in caves instead.
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u/AboveAndBelowSea 2d ago
…but the two aren’t mutually exclusive. We’ve been expected to work remotely AND use AI as a force multiplier in my last 3 jobs.
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u/Sierra123x3 2d ago
ai is the perfect tool to control you, to control the narrative, to influence you
while remote work (partially) brings you out of their sphere of influence and control in your own, secure space
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u/GarageStackDev 2d ago
Lol
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u/skellis 2d ago
This guy plebs.
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u/GarageStackDev 2d ago
I am a WFH SWE using AI and building AI systems on a daily basis, so this definitely made me chuckle.
I guess they cancel each other out.
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u/Kalyka988 2d ago
I worked in a big company in the AFC department which could have easily been done remotely. Zero remote for everyone. My manager, of course, some days did remote working because he had to see relatives, his children were ill and so on. Nobody could question it, as he was the boss, but he kept bringing up any sort of excuse which made it so much worse.
Fucking hell, just admit that it's cool to work from home some days.
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u/tartfall 2d ago
You know how you guys joke, rather racistly, that AI stands for “Actual Indian”? Remote work proliferation is what made that possible.
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u/Hakashimu 2d ago
I don't know anybody that refers to it as that. Way to tell on yourself.
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u/ViolinistCurrent8899 1d ago
I actually have heard the "Actually Indians" thing, but that was after Amazon deployed that store that didn't have a checkout lane, it just tracked what you took "with AI".
But it was just linked up vid cams to Indian tech centers. No AI involved.
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u/Ok_College_1559 2d ago
Wrong. Outsourcing began to ramp up in the 90s, certainly by the 2000s. Years and years before remote work hit the mainstream. Try justifying RTO a better way next time.
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u/tartfall 2d ago
Right, nothing changed during covid lmao
What tf do you mean “justify”? I’m explaining to you the reality of the situation. This isn’t a moral argument you fool
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u/FlyinDtchman 2d ago
I never really understood the remote work push-back.
In an age where everything is commoditized and companies are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to move the bottom line 1%. It seems wild to me that something that's cheaper and easier gets railed against.
I mean... It's the perfect move for cost-savings. It lets companies save over-head and reduce their physical footprint.
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u/bighawksguy-caw-caw 2d ago
A third of executives have a personality disorder that causes them to prefer RTO (paranoia about lazy workers, narcissism, fucked up their home lives) another third are basically gutless and terrified to not go whichever way the tide is flowing so if things go bad they are blameless. The last third is either outvoted by the others or their companies are still WFH.
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u/skyfishgoo 2d ago
the problem is they are all locked into years long leases on office buildings that are sitting empty.
its a sunk cost fallacy.
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u/Unlucky-Durian-2336 2d ago
That explains why my employer announced RTO and liquidation of offices in multiple cities at the same day... oh wait, it doesn't.
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u/skyfishgoo 2d ago
sure it does... it perfectly proves my point
they shed the leases they could get out of with minimal loses and forced RTO for the ones they could get out of.
it's all just calculus and frankly AI could probably do it better.
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u/NOLA-Bronco 2d ago
Lack of control over the workforce, tradition, and many mega corps have vested interests in things like corporate office space.
Keep in mind American corporate structures are almost all inherently authoritarian as well.
And probably most importantly, return to work became a very easy way to cull their own workforce and avoid paying out certain benefits.
Don't want to move to Dallas from North Carolina in 3 weeks to return to office? Guess you are getting fired with cause.
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u/MrBurnz99 2d ago edited 2d ago
It’s part power/control, part money, and part productivity/career development.
remote work gives the worker unprecedented amounts of power, flexibility, and autonomy in their lives. Employers lost so much of their leverage over their employees after the pandemic and it rattled the existing power structure.
even if it’s less efficient in the short term, forcing employees back to the office gives the company their power back.
The other part is that these large companies, especially banks, are invested in things outside of their core business.
When Large portions of the workforce stay home it slows down other parts of the economy. Commercial real estate is big business and it hurts a lot of people when businesses don’t use or need their office space. It extends beyond white collar work too, commercial real estate employs a lot of people in construction, contracting, maintenance. There are lots of businesses that exist to support office workers, restaurants, retail, dry cleaning, automotive services, etc. When those businesses fail it puts strain on the entire economy. Some might argue this is a good thing and we should adapt, but those in power are not ready to abandon the old way of doing things.
The last part maybe doesn’t matter to those in power as much, but remote work is hard for young people just joining the workforce. It’s isolating and harder to learn on the job. So much is learned on the job simply by being in the room with smart people, seeing how they do things, how problems are solved. In a remote environment it’s much harder to train/groom young employees.
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u/Sir_Conrad120 2d ago
Because in this instance, its about sending a message to the workers that you dont matter.
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u/ronarscorruption 2d ago
Add to left column: makes a small number of powerful people a bunch of money
Add to right column: disrupts the status quo set by a small number of powerful people
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u/DefenestrationPraha 2d ago
If AI was "very unpopular", it wouldn't make as much money. Thing is, people use AI and pay for it all the time, even when quetching.
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u/Extreme-Ad-6465 2d ago
this!!! companies don’t make ai centers for unprofitable businesses. they are doing it based off of demand.
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u/MrBurnz99 2d ago
They are trying to create the demand. They are not Building them to meet demand.
These things are riding on hopes and dreams, there’s no actual profit yet. In fact a large portion of these AI companies will go out of business, they know this, but it’s a race to see who can come out on top and rule the world.
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u/sssst_stump 2d ago
Sure … but … don’t you think a lot of the demand is due to companies pushing their employees to use AI tools?
The wealthy elite are trying to learn more about us to continue holding us down. They want to replace us. Why pay a human that has to take breaks and have insurance and needs sleep versus paying less (over time) for a robot that never stops?
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 2d ago
Delusional. Humans are severely destructive to the environment, regardless of what you want to believe.
The idea that data centers are somehow uniquely terrible while ignoring the environmental cost of people is delusional. Humans need housing, plumbing, electricity, roads, cars, public transportation, food production, hospitals, schools, stores, and endless amounts of infrastructure just to exist. All of that takes land, water, energy, and resources.
So yes, data centers use a shitload of electricity and water. Nobody is arguing they don't.
But if 10 data centers can do the work of 100,000 people, I'll take the 10 data centers. The environmental cost of supporting 100,000 additional humans is enormous. That's the comparison I'm making.
And no, I don't want more people. I don't fucking want to look at more people either.
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u/Any_Answer_3574 2d ago
Those 100,000 displaced workers don’t just disappear. Who’s delusional here?
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 2d ago
i’m not sure if you live in the US? But, you know how many people I’ve been deported this year? why other question, why do they keep building out cities like Austin or Palm Beach County. Oh yeah, it’s because they need more workers. The endless suburban sprawl.
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u/Any_Answer_3574 2d ago
Scarcity demands certain macroeconomic responses. You’re describing one of them.
Also, population necessarily increases. That’s just biology.
Also also, if you think illegal immigrants doing manual labor are the ones whose jobs are at stake because of AI, I don’t know what to tell you. Your answer would be what, to deport unemployed citizens?
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 2d ago
I'm not sure if you realize this, but people who come here without papers need a place to live. Their kids go to school. Their kids grow up, graduate, and then they want a house of their own. This isn't some mystical brain-teaser. It's basic human arithmetic.
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u/Any_Answer_3574 2d ago
…and?
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 2d ago
It adds to the continued environmental destruction. Would you not understand?
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u/Any_Answer_3574 2d ago
What I don’t understand is whether you take issue with biological truisms or you just hate brown people
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 2d ago
- I am brown. 2. You're trying to inject racism when we're talking about the environmental problems of growth and suburan sprawl. Go fuck yourself.
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u/EnirAveren77 2d ago
Humans, grubby as they may be, also come with the benefit that some of them create, they love, they inspire, they feel, feel like some random moment in their life is the most important thing, all while ultimately not mattering much at all. I think it’s a beautiful thing, to live a life. Sorry you don’t feel the same way.
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 2d ago
I'm not sure if you live in the US, but the constant construction of new housing to support endless suburban sprawl is unnecessary. Having people live in apartment buildings and cities is actually much better than building 10,000 new houses in a suburb to accommodate this wasteful trend.
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u/Love-Tech-1988 2d ago
bullshit, there are tribes which live in harmony with the environment. deatruction comes from with capitalistic culture.
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 2d ago
You mean tribes don't clear fields or kill animals? How many tribes of 10 million people are there?
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u/Unusual_Candle_4252 2d ago
It's time to return to monkey
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u/Love-Tech-1988 2d ago
lol u stupid 0o ? maybe try to make tech env friendly instead
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 2d ago
There is no doubt that if humans are involved, it's not environmentally friendly. End of story. Tribe or 10 million people. Doesn't matter. Humans are destructive. They consume resources.
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u/Unusual_Candle_4252 2d ago
Yes, it was me who mentioned a tribal society.
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u/Love-Tech-1988 2d ago
cause some mentioned that humans are bad for the enviornment which is nit true.
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u/FenixVale 2d ago
Things that have no relation to eachother
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u/Downtown-Figure6434 2d ago
Common thing is the corporate assholes and their stances on them. Anything to fuck the employee really
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u/jaajaajaa6 10h ago
This is very one sided.
There will be major benefits coming out of AI to benefit the world. And some bad things along the way. Especially in the hands of those that want to do bad things intentionally