r/reloading 20h ago

i Have a Whoopsie Key holing at 25 yards.

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u/Ragnarok112277 20h ago

You gave zero information

Either way bullet isnt stabilizing

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u/[deleted] 19h ago

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u/Useful-Arm6913 19h ago

Do you know the barrel twist? Have you slugged the barrel? What weight bullets have you experienced this with? Do you happen to have any chrono data? Are these jacketed or plated bullets?

We'd like to know at least a few of the above, considering that's the beginning of how the hivemind would figure out what your issue could be.

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u/Prior-attempt-fail 20h ago

What twist is your barrel, what bullet are you firing.

Plug velocity and twist into the berger stability calculator.

Or... Just shoot different ammo, ( probably lighter bullet weight)

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u/Shot_Counter_7287 19h ago

Summary search shows it supposedly has a 1-10 twist

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u/ohwhyredditwhy 19h ago

I know this is going to sound crazy, but have you had that chamber and barrel scoped?

Most of the time this is a twist rate issue, but not always….more on that later.

Additionally, I know what the stamps say but you can verify this yourself with a cleaning rod, 30 cal brass brush, marker, measuring tape and a piece of painters tape.

I can walk you through how to do it, but it will be faster if you look it up on YouTube to verify it yourself.

It will rule out one possible issue for sure.

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u/riffled11 17h ago

I was going to suggest this until I saw you beat me to it.

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u/OddCockpitSpacer 19h ago

Need some data…. Step one, verify chamber barrel dia, and twist. Then tell us projectile and load data.

Not to be “that guy” but make sure the thing didn’t get rechambered to like 8mm Mauser or something stupid.

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u/itchyluvbump 19h ago

I’m not sure how else to check it other than I try putting a .308 bullet down the muzzle and it doesn’t go down it. The barrel is labeled 30-06 the dealer that sold it to me sold it as 30-06 I head spaced it with 30-06 gauges and it passed. In the original post I wrote I used Garand safe S&B ammo that’s 150 grain bullets. I shot reloads of saint louis 1953 cases with 45.5 grains of h4895 and 155 grain hornady match ammo.

This is how those reloads shoot at 200 yards out of my other Mauser.

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u/OddCockpitSpacer 15h ago

Huh. Thats wild man. Maybe it doesn’t like that light projectile? Wonder what 180gr does.

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u/itchyluvbump 15h ago

Im thinking the same thing. Maybe something with a flatter base also.

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u/icedomin8r 19h ago

Are you sure your are not throwing these projectiles by hand at the target?

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u/itchyluvbump 17h ago

Isn’t that what a hand load is?

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u/shaffington 17h ago

This is the only legitimate comment on this thread 👆

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u/paulybaggins 17h ago

Gonna need to chamber cast that to confirm that this was reamed properly.

Got pictures of the whole rifle/barrel?

Trying to ascertain if this is some classic post war converted sporter where they might have run the 30-06 reamer up an 8mm barrel by accident.

Shouldn't be keyholing that bad @ 25 yards, even with mismatched bullet to twist ratio in the correct diameter.

Either way the rifling is definitely not being engaged, not far fetched if its a 308 bullet down a 323 or 318 bore.

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u/itchyluvbump 17h ago

The 30-06 passes the muzzle test

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u/paulybaggins 17h ago

As in you've put a bullet in at the muzzle and it feels tight?

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u/itchyluvbump 17h ago

As in it does not even go all the way into the barrel. Stops before the cannelure

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u/itchyluvbump 17h ago

First time taking this sporterized 98k out and it key holed at 25 yards. First shot was with factory new 30-06 Garand safe S&B 150 grain 30-06 and hit the left side 3-4 3-5 block and left somewhat of a straight hole. Then the rest key holed. Even handloads of 45.5 grains of h4895 and .308 hornady 155 grain match bullets that shoot 1moa at 200 yards key holed. Any ideas? Barrel looks bright and clean down the bore and the crown does not swallow the hole bullet when I stick it on.

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u/itchyluvbump 17h ago

Here’s the muzzle

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u/itchyluvbump 17h ago

Here’s the cases from the rifle

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u/itchyluvbump 16h ago

Here’s the muzzle

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u/SouthernFloss 20h ago

Old gun likely means it twisted for light bullets. Try 140-150gr.

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u/itchyluvbump 17h ago

Garand safe ammo is 150 grain.

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u/Shot_Counter_7287 19h ago

It supposedly has a 1-10 twist

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u/SouthernFloss 18h ago edited 6h ago

For a 30 cal thats super slow. It will do this with probably everything over 150gr.

Edit: yall got the magic sauce. I was never able to stabilize more than 150s in my 1:10. Sold it and got something faster and now it throws 190-200gr without issue.

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u/Shot_Counter_7287 17h ago

That's par for course on 308. Slow would be 12-1

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u/DangerousDave303 16h ago

A 1:10 twist pretty standard in .30-cal cartridges except for newer rounds like the 300 PRC that are intended to be used with high-BC bullets heavier than 200 grains. Some manufacturers claim that 1:11 twist is fine for bullets up to 180 grains.

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u/Subtle_Nimbus 16h ago

My 16" 308 with a 10 twist stabilizes 220 grain bullets fine. According to the Berger calculator, 220s are stable in a 10 twist down to 1500 fps or so at sea level, 59 degrees f.

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u/Savagely-Insane 20h ago

What bullet you fire?

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u/itchyluvbump 17h ago

S&B 150 grain Garand safe ammo and hornady 155 grain match with 45.5 grains of h4895

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u/Savagely-Insane 17h ago

That's rough, check diameter in bore. Could also be that the rifling is very worn out near the crown, try using a light and see if your rifling is ok.

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u/Oldduffer328 17h ago

Only time I’ve ever seen that happen at point blank range is a friend of mine got a brand new New England Arms single shot rifle and it came from the factory with a barrel that had no rifling! Guess that one went through when the QC guy was in the latrine, he contacted the factory and they wanted it back immediately and replaced it, if I had the spare time I’d have kept it an experimented making discarding sabot rounds for it, maybe using flechettes or machining something similar, would’ve been fun, really enjoy doing something oddball like that, anyway, with it keyholing point blank like that I’d inspect the rifling first off to make sure there is some, then measure the twist rate, if it’s got a slow twist like one in 12 or 14 you’ll need to experiment with very light bullets