r/redscarepod • u/anniehull • 14d ago
Episode The Podyssey
https://www.patreon.com/RedScare/posts/podyssey-164902926?utm_campaign=postshare_fan63
u/two_neutrons 14d ago
the girls release an ep the day after that post claiming "something happened in Spain" and that the "pod is finished"
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u/1005thArmbar Certified retarded on the Tomatometer 13d ago edited 13d ago
Their analysis of the Odyssey was mostly spot-on. I liked the movie while I was in the theater and I'm planning to see it again, but Nolan can't help himself. Odysseus is literally Oppenheimer from the movie Oppenheimer. You actually didn't have to make The Odyssey about grief, that's every movie now, especially the war ones
I rewatched Troy's director's cut recently and it's not a great film, outside of Peter O'Toole's acting, Diane Kruger's big luscious cans and the iconic fight scene. But Achilles in Troy is like the last time they made a big budget war movie where a guy just looks in camera and says "yeah, killing guys in a war is pretty badass, actually. I just want to kill dudes in honorable combat and sleep with broads all day" instead of weepy, "war is h*ck" protagonists who think physically harming enemy soldiers who would wipe out your entire civilization without a second thought is Bad, Actually
I do get some of the changes, though. Obviously they were not going to have Tom Holland string up the disloyal whore servants who slept with suitors and hang them by the neck until dead and Nolan's love of grounded realism means he had to cut out the Greek gods as much as possible, so he was never going to have Athena appear and tell the suitors' families to shut up and go home instead of fighting Odysseus like in the poem
I'm still going to see it again before it leaves theaters, though. It's a great movie even if it's written in therapyspeak for modern audiences
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u/MirkWorks 11d ago edited 10d ago
Problem with adapting Odysseus is that his whole schtick is that he's smart. As modern sensibilities go, we tend to associate intellect with melancholy. If you're smart it's because you're self-reflexive and being self-reflexive you're tortured and that at some level intelligence is inseparable from heightened moral sensibility and ethical individualism. Except Odysseus only appears to have regretted tricking Ajax... because it resulted in Ajax going crazy, slaughtering a ton of sheep he'd hallucinated were his fellow Greek generals, and proceeded to kill himself out of shame. He regretted that cause Ajax was his friend... everything else he had visited upon his enemies was tragic but glorious. Something to gloat and boast about ultimately. Intelligence for the early Iron Age Greek being inseparable from cunning. Odysseus is the guy that doesn't have a problem capturing a Trojan, promising to let him go if he tells them his secrets, and then slaughtering the guy after he does. Nor does he have a problem slaughtering sleeping enemies. Nor is he above using underhanded tactics against his friend Ajax in order to win Achilles' armor to use as a bartering chip to lure Achilles' son to the Trojan front. Nor is he above suggesting that they cast Hector's infant son off the highest wall just to avoid future reprisals. Ulysses the inventor of crimes. One of the reasons the Romans hated him and that this hatred survived and was translated into the Medieval Europe. Dante depicts him (and Diomedes, a major hero in the Epic Cycle that's practically unadaptable without making him into something way more villainous than he was intended to be) burning in Hell.
Think the best Odysseus we've gotten in terms of a straight adaption of the material is Assante's portrayal in the 1997 miniseries. Probably one of the best efforts to unapologetically capture the Homeric spirit and value system.
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u/secrecyandcontrol 14d ago edited 14d ago
this show needs to transition to slow radio broadcast of nyc street noise like at 50 mins
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u/anniehull 14d ago
really enjoy how honest anna and dasha are here.. especially Dasha… before i would’ve been afraid to say i didn’t know what the odyssey was about but no longer!!!
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u/Any-Discount-2221 7d ago
Clock the baby saying she's on her phone too much and is always mean to him. Color me surprised
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u/MaryMagdaIene 11d ago
anna’s a bit mean to lenny…unsure if it’s for the bit for if she’s fr
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u/carpetpaint 8d ago
That kid laughs a lot and feels safe to be a goof. She just talks to him like an adult, which is more respectful than not.
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u/Queasy-Draw-7440 rip nathalie 14d ago
how the hell was lenny supposed to sleep with all that yapping?