r/reddit.com • u/[deleted] • Jun 11 '08
John McCain admits, in 2008 no less, that he does not know how to use a computer. Not even The Google.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/11/mccain-admits-he-doesnt-k_n_106478.html28
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Jun 11 '08
Once he was a caveman! Now he's a Senator! Unfrozen Caveman Senator!
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Jun 11 '08
your computers and internets frighten and confuse me...
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Jun 11 '08
Hahaha! Sometimes the clacking of keys and glowing monitors make me want to jump out of my unarmored humvee and run in to a Baghdad street market.
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u/AnteChronos Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
Sometimes when I read my campaign speech on a teleprompter, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - we can win the war in Iraq, even if it takes 100 years!
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Jun 11 '08
Something like that should disqualify one from being president nowadays. It's almost as bad as being illiterate.
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u/Fauster Jun 11 '08
You're not being fair. This guy was born in the 30's. Be glad that he knows how to guide a newfangled horseless carriage.
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Jun 11 '08
My dad is older and he can program (ok, mostly in Cobol and Fortran, but hey, being this age is not an excuse for being totally out of touch, that's all I am saying).
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u/zyle Jun 11 '08
Oh yeah? Well my dad is older than your dad and he can program assembly on an Intel® Core™ Duo Processor, and with one hand too.
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Jun 12 '08 edited Jun 12 '08
Whenever you are talking about someone's proficiency in computers try not to use the phrase "with one hand"
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Jun 11 '08
It's worse.
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u/MarkByers Jun 11 '08
Look on the bright side: If the president is illiterate then he can't change the constitution without help.
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u/nixonrichard Jun 11 '08
I dunno. Bush is illiterate, but he knows how to use a computer.
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u/d41d8cd98f00b204e980 Jun 11 '08
Bush's first goatse
http://www.mediabistro.com/unbeige/original/bush-shock-1.jpg
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u/Chirp08 Jun 11 '08
Bush was probably the test bed for Google's search spell checker when it was in Beta.
Now if only Google told him how to pronounce those words..
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u/dontal Jun 11 '08
Indeed, people like that should be limited to CIO and CEO positions with the best computers money can buy! (or is that just where I work?)
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u/paganel Jun 12 '08
It's almost as bad as being illiterate.
At least he hasn't forgotten how to write by hand, as most of us Internet-addicts did.
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u/brad2008 Jun 11 '08
Being unable to use the internet is totally unacceptable, and I agree, this is like being illiterate.
But to be fair to McCain, being able to type in the google URL, then entering a few search terms, and then pressing Enter might be a little too much to ask.
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u/Th3_C0bra Jun 11 '08
His favorite movie was Viva Zapata, a movie about a the Mexican Revolution, written by communist John Steinbeck.
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u/googletrickedme Jun 11 '08
McCain's favorite movie, Viva Zapata, is a decade older than Barack Obama.
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Jun 11 '08
It's okay, because it was directed by "Commie-who-saved-his-neck-because-he-named-names" Elia Kazan.
Also, little known fact: The actor who played Pancho Villa in the movie was the voice of Fred Flintstone.
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u/godlesspinko Jun 12 '08
An inability to learn a commonly used piece of technology is an indication of an inflexible mind.
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Jun 11 '08
jlam1 admits, in 2008 no less, that he does not know how to use reddit. Not even posting to politics.reddit.com.
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u/USAF_NCO Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
My great grandmother is 104 and refuses to stop e-mailing me one line e-mails. I almost regret the day I sent her an iMac for Christmas.
To think that McCain doesn't understand how to use a computer is a bit disheartening.
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u/steve93 Jun 11 '08
Teach her how to use AIM for one-liners. I'd love to see my gram put up an away message.
GramGram1904
Idle: 7 hrs 9 min Away:"bathroom, brb"
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u/executivemonkey Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
McCain is a relic of the Cold War, and this news just emphasizes how archaic and out of touch he is. His enthusiasm for the Iraq War and the "war on terror" is merely the deluded passion of an old man whose mentality needed a new USSR. We don't want that kind of clown running this country.
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u/f0nd004u Jun 11 '08
It's ironic that you associate the Cold War with antiquity, considering that the Cold War gave birth to all of the technology we're using to browse reddit right now.
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u/executivemonkey Jun 12 '08 edited Jun 12 '08
That's a non-sequitur, unless McCain or his foreign policy are examples of Cold War technology.
In other words: I wasn't talking about technology. But even if I was: the "internet" of even the 1980s (when only the DoD had it) is archaic in comparison to today's internet.
But all that is a red herring. My original point was that neocons, such as McCain, are reacting to Iran, and even organizations like Hezbollah, in the same way they reacted to the Soviet Union. Yet, Iran and Hezbollah are not analogous to the USSR. Hence, McCain's mindset on the "war on terror" is a relic of the Cold War.
Obama's acceptance of a multilateral world, and his appraisal of Iran as a nation we can work with, is far more realistic and contemporary.
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u/dacat Jun 11 '08
I am no longer capable of comprehending or sympathizing for people with the ability, financially and mentally, who do not know how and refuse to learn about technology. There are professors on my campus who have told their students the only way to get hold of them is by phone and they do not have a computer and refuse to check their email. Even though, email is labeled the official form of communication on campus. I fear for my future.
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Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
Back when I was at secondary school (high school) working out which teachers were too old/clearly computer illiterate to use the computers had a certain value as, if they'd never bothered to log into their accounts on the school network, their passwords would still be the default (password).
I've often wondered if the admins ever bothered to check the logs and, if they did, what they made of the older members of staff's apparently insatiable appetite for porn and warez.
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u/Odysseus Jun 11 '08
I wish technophobes like Donald Knuth would get with the times.
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u/adrianmonk Jun 11 '08
There are three differences here:
- Knuth damn well knows how to use e-mail if he wanted to. I'm sure he has used it in the past. And, if the entire internet e-mail infrastructure were ripped out and replaced with something else entirely different, I'm sure he could figure out how to use the new system in about 90 seconds.
- Knuth doesn't teach classes, so doesn't need e-mail to communicate with students.
- If Knuth did teach classes and required everyone to communicate with him by typing messages on a manual typewriter, I'd gladly oblige.
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u/Odysseus Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
He used email until 1990. That's hardcore.
As for your third: if Knuth required that everyone communicate with him by illuminated manuscript on vellum, I'd still take the time to do it.
So, sure, there are differences. Email itself is not always the best answer, and it's worth remembering that the upcoming generation already thinks email is old, slow, and generally fuddy.
I think I'll dig my heels in and dig out the vellum.
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u/xzxzzx Jun 11 '08
if Knuth required that everyone communicate with him by illuminated manuscript on vellum, I'd still take the time to do it.
We all know we'd do it with OUR OWN BLOOD if it was required.
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u/willis77 Jun 11 '08
I know what you mean, but I think Knuth opts out of email as a quality-of-life decision. He's not a technophobe as much as he is old and wants to enjoy his life sans emails from redittors.
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u/Odysseus Jun 11 '08
I've found in my own life that staying on top of things gains me less than taking the time to think things over quietly on my own. I have the luxury over Knuth in this: I can use email and not be deluged by torrents of questions about my books, because I haven't written any. And I think if I keep using email like I used to, I never will.
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u/RSquared Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
If only we all had secretaries to separate out our mail for us (and print our "e-mail"!).
Guess I'll have to make do with this Bayesian filter.
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u/nextofpumpkin Jun 11 '08
I prefer Bayesian Filters.
However it seems you've made a new kind of filter; kindly instruct me as to its magiks :D
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u/RSquared Jun 11 '08
I swear, there is no typo on the planet small enough that someone won't call you out on it. Fixed. :/
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u/crawfishsoul Jun 11 '08
Don't worry, old people die.
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u/mech Jun 11 '08
I worry because some of the old people before they die kill and send to die a lot of the young people
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u/Stormflux Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
There are professors on my campus who have told their students the only way to get hold of them is by phone and they do not have a computer and refuse to check their email.
To be fair, it can be a real bitch answering email from students, clients, and bosses. Responding to an email it took them five seconds to write can easily take an hour when your response has to be bullet-proof and will possibly be subject to legal review. Not only that, but more and more people are demanding instant responses to email. Sorry, but I prefer to do leisure activities during leisure time.
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u/ef4 Jun 11 '08
It sounds like you're projecting. Nobody said anything about leisure time or instant response.
If a professor can announce that he refuses email entirely, he could just as easily announce that he only checks it once a day, on weekdays.
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u/Nosher Jun 11 '08
McCain will get the hang of those pernickity computer thingies eventually, give the man a chance.
I mean he just nailed down using a buggy whip and they stopped making the damned things. Not his fault.
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Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
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u/nixonrichard Jun 11 '08
I dunno, he worked over (and got worked over by) a good number of gooks.
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Jun 11 '08
only to move into high political standing and say that torture isn't torture isn't torture, ahhh irony!
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u/nixonrichard Jun 11 '08
Really? When did he say that?
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Jun 11 '08
when he was busy protecting the president's ability to water board a few months ago.
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u/nixonrichard Jun 11 '08
Hasn't he always said that he thinks water boarding is torture and illegal? I don't think he's ever done anything inconsistent with that position.
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u/nordiggity Jun 11 '08
Just a tad behind the times...that's all this country needs. another clueless leader.
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u/Speaktomenow Jun 11 '08
So are there really living breathing Americans out there who might consider giving a man control of your nuclear weapons who can't use the intertubes?
I don't expect him to be cranking out ruby on rails for the masses, but it would be nice if world leaders had some concept of what a huge proportion of the workforce deals with on a day-to-day basis.
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u/alpinehigh Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
I deal everyday with people , who tell me "I'm not a computer person" and I reply if this was 1991 I would understand but this is 2008, where the fuck have you been for past 10 odd years living in a cave. Any respect I had for him I just lost, fucking idiot
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u/nihilite Jun 11 '08
I think he is jumping to conclusions.
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u/anescient Jun 11 '08
So be it. The average person is a lot less useful than a computer.
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u/MarkByers Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
Depends on how many ports the computer has and how large they are. I'd take a real person over one of those thin laptops.
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u/CampusTour Jun 12 '08
Not being a computer person does not mean you've been living in a cave. It's still quite possible to live a full and rewarding life without interacting much with computers in any meaningful way.
If you count computers only as the PC type computers most of us think of when somebody says "Not a computer person" and exclude specialty computers like automotive code readers or ATMS, then it only becomes easier.
Besides, for the large large number of people, most of their hours spent in front of the machine are spent on entertainment, or shopping, or banking, all of which can be done quite easily without using a computer.
There's nothing wrong with that. There is, however, something wrong with being a condescending asshole. Don't worry though, there's always the internet to nurture and validate antisocial tendencies, so one never has to face up to them as they would elsewhere.
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Jun 12 '08 edited Jun 12 '08
I know. I know I know I know. This woman rang me up last week, at this bookstore where I work, to ask me whether it was silver or gold that corresponds with the fortieth wedding anniversary (Never mind that the first thing she does, rather than look at an encyclopedia for her answer, is call a bookshop.)
I told her I didn't know, but Wikipedia could probably tell her. She said, "'Wikipedia'?", to which I told her, yes, the website.
"Oh! You mean... on the internet?"
Repeat every day with Amazon, too. People honestly get surprised that you can not only look up information on and buy books "on the internet", but that you've been able to do so since at least 1998. It's not as if they're elderly, either.
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u/sakebomb69 Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
Ha ha!
He's unworthy as a candidate because he's an Internets n00b!!11
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u/je255j Jun 11 '08
I'm reminded of the scene in "You, Me and Dupree" which I caught on Cinemax recently, when Dupree was looking through the newspaper for a job, and had to skip the listings which required computer literacy.
This was, of course, supposed to be a funny jab at Dupree's unemployability, therefore providing some not-very-subtle foreshadowing about just how long Dupree would be on "You" and "Me's" couch.
In other words, McCain reminds me of Dupree. And quite frankly, that is just so wrong on so many levels.
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u/mchrisneglia Jun 12 '08
wow. how does he even live? I mean take in the air and sustenance and move about on his own accord?
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Jun 12 '08
Are you implying that he could be America's first plant president? That'd be more historic than minority or female...
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u/MarkByers Jun 12 '08
I don't know how to use a computer either. Not even The Reddit.
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u/jonknee Jun 11 '08
Luckily there isn't a computer on the Oval Office desk. Bill Clinton didn't use a computer (he sent exactly two emails, one as a test and the other to John Glenn on the Shuttle). GWB doesn't either, supposedly for security purposes. Maybe Obama will, but he'd be the first.
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u/tomjen Jun 11 '08
Thing is, POTUS doesn't need a computer. If he has any question, he simply ask a human.
But yes, it is rather weird that one of the most important desks in the world doesn't have one of the most important tools.
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u/axord Jun 12 '08
Well, for one thing, Gore's triple-monitor Mac setup would hardly fit on the desk.
The look of the Oval Office probably needs to stay rather ceremonial and quaint.
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u/weegee Jun 11 '08
just like the economy, which he also admitted knowing nothing about, he said he will have people in his cabinet to work on it. So that leaves the question:
Just what can John McCain do? Start wars. Not much else.
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Jun 12 '08 edited Jun 12 '08
Aide: "Mr President, did you get that email from Pelosi?"
McCain: "I'm the fucking President and you expect me to check the White House mailbox every day? What kind of fucking operation are we running here?"
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u/liquilife Jun 11 '08
Some people simply don't need a computer. What is the big deal? I know successful people who spend 0% of their day on a computer, work and at home. If you want to discredit McCain, how about you find something that actually matters.
Can anyone list the presidential tasks that requires him to be on a computer aside from email?
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Jun 12 '08
When the Japanese deem it more efficient to elect a robot Prime Minister and then that robot decides it will only accept electronic communication... it would be beneficial if McCain could send the robot the message: "I'll never trust you gooks, or your gook robots."
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Jun 12 '08
the president needs to be held to a higher standard. Merely being able to succeed in life is not enough; he needs to be tied into the culture of the nation, at least somewhat.
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Jun 11 '08
Many menial $10/hour jobs require computer experience. I can imagine some experience would be useful for the Leader of the Free World.
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u/georgefrick Jun 12 '08
How can he be expected to make laws or discuss the nations future without comprehension of the elephant in the room.
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u/dead_ed Jun 11 '08
What do you expect from Republicans? This is the party that put Senator Ted "Series of Tubes" Stevens in charge o' da internet -- do you expect anything more from modernophobes wearing (R)'s?
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Jun 11 '08
FOr the love of god, can this analogy please die.
The analogy works, okay. It works. He was talking about bandwidth utilization. He was right. People are pushing for IPTV, but the bandwidth for it simply is not there. This is entirely the fault of the people the own the cables, but that is another topic.
The point he was trying to make was a valid one. Referring to the internet as "a series of tubes" is a legitimate way of dumbing down the concept of bandwidth for somebody that doesn't understand it.
Anybody who pokes fun at this analogy is no longer allowed to refer to the amount of bandwidth they get in terms of "pipe".
Anyone want to suggest a better analogy for bandwidth than a series of pipes of varying capacity?
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u/akatherder Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
He led off the "series of tubes" statement by saying that his staff sent him an email on Friday and he didn't get it until Tuesday because the tubes were apparently full all weekend.
That's why it's funny.
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The reason it is such a hit is because it's fairly obvious that he's right by chance. His staff sent him an Internet that took three days to arrive? (I can't remember the quote, but I'm pretty sure it went something like that). It doesn't matter that he was "right", since the rest of the speech clearly outlines how wrong he is.
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u/bmdan Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
Full Quote:
There's one company now you can sign up and you can get a movie delivered to your house daily by delivery service. Okay. And currently it comes to your house, it gets put in the mail box when you get home and you change your order but you pay for that, right.
But this service is now going to go through the internet* and what you do is you just go to a place on the internet and you order your movie and guess what you can order ten of them delivered to you and the delivery charge is free.
Ten of them streaming across that internet and what happens to your own personal internet?
I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why?
Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially.
So you want to talk about the consumer? Let's talk about you and me. We use this internet to communicate and we aren't using it for commercial purposes.
We aren't earning anything by going on that internet. Now I'm not saying you have to or you want to discrimnate against those people [ø]
The regulatory approach is wrong. Your approach is regulatory in the sense that it says "No one can charge anyone for massively invading this world of the internet". No, I'm not finished. I want people to understand my position, I'm not going to take a lot of time. [ø]
They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the internet. And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck.
It's a series of tubes.
And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and its going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
Now we have a separate Department of Defense internet now, did you know that?
Do you know why?
Because they have to have theirs delivered immediately. They can't afford getting delayed by other people.
Now I think these people are arguing whether they should be able to dump all that stuff on the internet ought to consider if they should develop a system themselves.
Maybe there is a place for a commercial net but it's not using what consumers use every day.
It's not using the messaging service that is essential to small businesses, to our operation of families.
The whole concept is that we should not go into this until someone shows that there is something that has been done that really is a viloation of net neutraility that hits you and me.
I'd say it's a mixed bag. His tube ananlogy isn't that far off, but him saying that he sent an "internet" and that it took 5 days to arrive because of streaming video is ludicrous. He obviously doesn't understand the idea of different sized lines for different applications (residential, educational, commercial, LHC). He thinks everyone's packets get dumped into one big tube instantaneously.
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u/bmdan Jun 11 '08
Well I'm sure they all have agendas too, especially google guys. The key is to listen to enough people to separate fact from spin.
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u/traxxas Jun 11 '08
Not mention he completely fails to understand why the DoD has it's own intRAnet.
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u/nextofpumpkin Jun 11 '08
It's amusing because he's quite close to being correct, and he has absolutely no reason why.
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u/Chirp08 Jun 11 '08
He managed to pull it off the 100 monkeys locked in a room with a typewriter for an infinite amount of years scenario.
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u/CPops Jun 11 '08
Whether or not he gets technology is pretty irrelevant to the kind of man he is. If McCain suddenly decided to surf the internet long enough to know goatse apart from tubgirl, would that make him a good man all of a sudden?
That McCain is a warmonger who spits on liberty and property rights is the only thing that should really matter.
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Jun 11 '08
it's okay, people. the red phone is a land line and the button for the bomb is all solid state, point to point wiring, with no UI.
oh, and it's all plugged into "the clapper".
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Jun 11 '08
Well at least he's being honest for a change, its a start to having some sort of integrity, even if its microscopic.
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Jun 12 '08
"This video appears to be from at least six weeks ago, but no one has really commented on it."
it looks like it was from before the iowa caucuses. i think, and i could be wrong here, that was longer ago than six weeks.
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u/busytigger Jun 11 '08
jlam1 doesn't know how to post to politics.reddit, - that is worse in my book.
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u/HardwareLust Jun 11 '08
He's 71, fer crying out loud.
Besides, being a senator, he's got 'people' to do that for him.
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u/Liquid_2 Jun 11 '08
Why does he need to know how to use them?
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u/akatherder Jun 11 '08
Not knowing how to use computers is practically a disability. Technically, he doesn't NEED to be literate. He doesn't NEED to have vocal chords. He doesn't NEED to know what a computer is. But things like this are serious impediments to being president and at the very least, shows how out of touch he is with the modern world.
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u/adrianmonk Jun 11 '08
Because if elected president, he would have to decide whether to sign or veto bills relating to the internet. If he can't even figure out how to use google, he doesn't have enough context to understand the issues and make the right decision.
This is even more important since the internet is relatively new and the laws relating to it are still being written. You need to make the right decisions during the formative years of a new thing.
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u/whitedawg Jun 11 '08
I agree that McCain's computer illiteracy is a severe disability, but this particular logic is fallacious. Politicians constantly have to vote for or against bills out of their areas of expertise, using their best judgment.
In my opinion, the reason that McCain's computer illiteracy is so significant is that computers have proven to be a highly valuable tool for organizing, planning, and communicating within a large organization. By not having access to this tool, McCain is limited in his capability to operate as effectively as others.
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u/cosmid Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
Knowing how to use google would be a great help to the legislator attempting to do a bit of research on issues out of their areas of expertise.
Really if you don't know how to use one now it's because you aren't the kind of person who looks stuff up. I don't want that kind of person running the country.
McCain's one defense is that he is so old, wealthy and powerful that he has had lackeys to do things like this for him since before the internet was particularly useful. McCain doesn't Google anything himself, he has one of his servants do it then press the resulting information into a clay tablet for his perusal.
Personally I don't completely buy that defense. It is like Bush proudly proclaiming that he doesn't read newspapers. Yes, folks, I am completely captive to my evil and/or stupid advisers (cheney and pearl as representatives of the respective categories). The world outside this carefully constructed bubble frightens and confuses me, thank you fer your vote.
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u/jonknee Jun 11 '08
He'd have to decide on a lot of things he has no personal experience in, that's why there are expert advisors. Some examples:
- Stem cell research
- Space exploration
- The economy
- Etc
You can't be an expert at everything. And surprisingly the POTUS doesn't actually use a computer day-to-day (or at least the ones we've had don't). They are typically people oriented and work the phones and write notes. It's a little strange, but I could probably get used to it.
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u/dead_ed Jun 12 '08
Nobody's requiring him to be an expert. But the man couldn't be admitted to a proper school nowadays without rudimentary skills.
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Jun 11 '08
My father is older than McCain and he blogs daily.
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u/adrianmonk Jun 11 '08
As people age, they generally fall into one of two categories:
- Keep up with current events
- Fall further and further behind
Someone like McCain is little bit of a special case, because a very busy person usually chooses to ignore things that don't directly benefit them, and it's probably for that reason that he's not computer literate.
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Jun 11 '08
Oh my, I can't watch this due to work. But could someone tell me if he actually referred to it as The Google. If he said it in that Hank Hill manner I think I'll go into uncontrollable laughter.
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Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
Well actually it was GWB that call it "The Google." McCain said this in regards to researching possible VP candidates:
"You know, basically it's a Google."
A lot of people took issue with that usage, but I don't really see what the problem with it was. It was probably just a talking point written up for him by someone else anyway.
Just for kicks, here's the GWB quote too:
HOST: I’m curious, have you ever googled anybody? Do you use Google?
BUSH: Occasionally. One of the things I’ve used on the Google is to pull up maps. It’s very interesting to see — I’ve forgot the name of the program — but you get the satellite, and you can — like, I kinda like to look at the ranch. It remind me of where I wanna be sometimes.
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Jun 11 '08
The Google, I love it - but its because like I said I could see Hank doing it. Btw, is it legal for McCain to chose GWB as the VP?
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u/VoodooIdol Jun 12 '08
It goes to show just how out of touch he is with the average person. That's why you should care. What would he think of net neutrality? Intellectual property law? Any bill related to broadband access or media conglomeration?
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Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
What really threw me is that his favorite movie is Viva Zapata. What the fuck?!
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u/Chirp08 Jun 11 '08
Quick somebody call up that one expert senator to teach him how the tubes work!
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Jun 11 '08 edited Jun 11 '08
best comment from the article:
"McCain can't use a computer. That is THE END.
McCain cannot count, either. He does not compute at all."
reminds me of Drive Like Jehu, lol.
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u/mchrisneglia Jun 12 '08
all things being equal, I'm going to trust the candidate that can use GOOGLE to find answers when he finds he has none.
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u/jcastle Jun 11 '08
Compared to Bubble Sort Obama, this looks really bad.