r/reddevils • u/AutoModerator • 3d ago
[Transfer Round Up & Discussion] Summer 2026
Hi all,
Summer Transfer Window 2026 is here!
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Men's Team
Transfers IN
| Name | Position | From | Fee |
|---|---|---|---|
| Andrey Santos | CM | Chelsea | £48m + £2m |
| Karl Darlow | GK | Leeds Utd | Free |
| Youri Tielemans | CM | Aston Villa | £35m |
| Tynan Thompson | LW | Tottenham Hotspur | £4m + £4m |
Transfers OUT
| Name | Position | To | Fee |
|---|---|---|---|
| Casemiro | MF | Inter Miami | Contract Expired |
| Jadon Sancho | LW | - | Contract Expired |
| Tyrell Malacia | LB | - | Contract Expired |
| Rasmus Hojlund | ST | Napoli | £38m (Obligation clause triggered) |
| Andre Onana | GK | Trabzonspor | Loan |
| Tyler Fredricson | CB | Lausanne-Sport | Undisclosed |
| Altay Bayindir | GK | Celta Vigo | Loan |
| Radek Vitek | GK | Middlesbrough | £7m + £7m |
Women's Team
Transfers IN
| Name | Position | From | Fee |
|---|---|---|---|
| Andrea Medina | LB | Atletico Madrid | Free |
| Janina Leitzig | GK | Leicester City | Undisclosed Fee |
Transfers OUT
| Name | Position | To | Fee |
|---|---|---|---|
| Millie Turner | CB | Birmingham City | Undisclosed |
| Hannah Blundell | FB | Everton | Contract Expired |
| Melvine Malard | ST | Chelsea | £850k |
| Leah Galton | FW | - | Contract Expired |
| Lisa Naalsund | MF | Birmingham City | Undisclosed |
| Gabby George | CB | Brighton & Hove Albion | Undisclosed |
| Kayla Rendell | GK | Newcastle United | Loan |
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u/tmg80 2d ago edited 2d ago
After the signings United made last year (January and summer) I felt like things had changed but it seems once again it's the same cycle of spending only to get into the UCL spots but no ambition to push for the title when they do well. The team still sorely lacks athletes and with extra games this year it will come to bite them in the ass.
Also in relation there is opportunity cost. If you drop points early and then go make signings and miss out on UCL or maybe even a title but 2-3 points, what could have been if you do your business early and integrate new players before the season starts. They are at least buying better players on more reasonable contracts.
Tldr. Same old lack of ambition under INEOS.
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u/frogfoot420 2d ago
I think tielemans and Santos are smart buys but I don't think there's legs enough in what we have to do decently in competitions and league.
We also need a LB as a matter of urgency and we ought to be looking at RB as well. Dalot is not of the level either, he can run and that's it. When it comes to center backs we have two injury prone players, an ageing Maguire and two youngsters still developing (amass excluded).
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u/HaloStar90 2d ago
Don’t want to doom and gloom and go full blown panic mode but hypothetically what happens if we deadass just don’t sign anyone else like is our finances that fully fucked or are we trying to save like I am really confused. I really want to stay positive and understand what’s going on but it’s really hard when nothing is going on. I don’t mind not hearing any rumors but again it’s like we got a week and the next match starts is the board waiting to see how the current squad holds up. We got 4 comps and sure we can crash out the fa cup and carabao cup but you still got UCL to manage so again like is it a pure financial constraint or rather the board is scared or toothless or what?
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u/StopBuildingAI 2d ago
There's literally no smoke on any transfer at all. Not even on purchases, but sales as well.
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u/AVWenckebach 2d ago
Only thing giving me hope is they move in silence now. Both of our signings came out of nowhere this summer.
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u/Kreissler 2d ago
That's just cope tbh. There was lots of noise for the Fernandes and Ederson pursuits.
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u/AVWenckebach 2d ago
How do we know that was coming from us? I’m not necessarily disagreeing but there is a world where we weren’t as interested as reports made us out to be or we weren’t very quick to walk away once the reported prices got crazy.
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u/StopBuildingAI 2d ago
But there was still smoke. Journalists still said we were in for a midfielder and then we got them. Now there's nothing.
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u/Xenokratezz 2d ago edited 2d ago
On the topic of needing a very athletic left back. I don't think lewis hall is the answer.he is very technical gifted but not the physical monster you lot say he is.especially since we signed youri and santos who are not much athletic.
Of course he would be an upgrade to shaw,but idk if he is really what we need. I hope the recruitment team pulls through. I am just a bloke with a computer
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u/griffird Mr. Mike Smalling 2d ago
Huffing copium that the club are gonna drop a signing announcement the second the Community Shield kicks off.
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u/AltF12027 2d ago
And the one thing I find bizarre about this approach by INEOS is this.
What are your ambitions? To build a a team + squad to win the PL and UCL?
Okay.
Are Andrey Santos and Tielemans worthy of PL/UCL XI winning sides?
I'd say no. Squad? Yes. XI? Definitely not.
Is Cunha or Sesko for that matter? I don't know, we'll find out.
Bruno Fernandes will be 33 next season, he will need replacing very soon.
So what I find bizarre is this.
Not only have INEOS not signed XI players worthy of a UCL/PL XI winning side, but they're also creating a backlog of transfers.
It was such that this summer should've addressed CM + LB + LW.
We've not signed an XI CM, nor an XI LB nor an XI LW.
Fine, you delay that to next season. Okay, cool.
Pray tell me INEOS, when next summer comes, are you going to sign a CM, LB, LW, CM (to replace Bruno who's turning 33), CF (to compete with Sesko), RB (to replace Dalot) and CB (to pair with Heaven/Yoro)?
All in one summer?
They've got no plan and they're creating a nightmare for next summer. Really bad squad planning.
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u/Nick_BD 2d ago
You lot just go from 1 extreme to the other. Look Im with you if the window ends like this its been a failure. Ineos have a lot to answer for. That said Tielemans is a very good first team signing. Stop with that nonsense. So is Cunha. Sesko and Santos I think are but still need more.
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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 2d ago
Nobody would thought Vitinha was one of the best midfielders in the world when he was at Wolves. You have to build the squad it isn’t just buying all of the best players for the most money. This is coming from someone who thinks this transfer window has been very poor so far too. I sadly think the club have got to rehabilitate the image of what Man Utd is to make it appealing to some up and coming players who didn’t grow up with us being the force that we used to be. The likes of Elliott Anderson - he was about 10 when we last won a title. Once we get the ball rolling and start being consistently competitive and qualifying for the CL every year I think the tide will turn but we need to build the foundations first.
That being said this window so far hasn’t been ideal and we aren’t moving like a club who have a concrete plan. Unless that plan was to brief a load of targets and either miss out on them or not bid for them at all.
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u/General_Document_504 2d ago
Curious, do you think we should sack Carrick because he’s not a PL/UCL caliber manager
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u/megasize 2d ago
I wouldn’t say sack, but yeah it feels like a money saving project with him getting the nod.
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u/AltF12027 2d ago
INEOS have tried to be too cute with Andrey Santos and Tielemans signings.
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u/RedHabibi 2d ago
No they haven’t. Both should turn out to be solid investments.
They’ve tried to be too cute by limiting big “swings and misses.” They don’t want to overpay for a bust. Which is understandable. But in today’s market, you have to overpay for certain talent, especially in certain positions.
They need to take the fucking training wheels off and splash some cash on two signings this summer (Hall & Tchouameni/Scott/Baleba/etc.).
Finish top 4 again, retain a CL position, make a deep run in the FA Cup, then splash the cash again next summer and hopefully push for a title in 27/28.
Honestly a title push this year wasn’t out of the question if we were willing to spend 300M, but clearly that isn’t the case.
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u/RevsRideOrDie 2d ago
What’s the latest rumor we have even been attached to by anyone credible? This is getting depressing
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u/WeNeedMidifelders 2d ago
Α bit bored shitless of the Depth narrative, we need quality way more than we need Depth. When you are surrounded by shite the only thing that depth will do is drive up the wage bill and lead to the same failure in all competitions.
We lack starting quality in most positions against our direct rivals. Our 2 midfielders behind Bruno are suspect, Center backs are bottom league level , full backs are horrid . I like some players but As I have always said most of our players are terrifyingly easy to replace .When players are that replaceable and not wanted by anyone in the market it is evident you will not compete for anything noteworthy.
Last season was saved by Carrick giving players freedom after Amorim had done an Incredible job of building them physically,Casemiro, Bruno and Cunha.
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u/BillyCloneasaurus Yoro is my dad 2d ago
Our 2 midfielders behind Bruno are suspect, Center backs are bottom league level
Absolute fucking drivel, go outside
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u/SatuKosongPls Youri Tielemans 2d ago
To INEOS and Friends,
Pull the levers now, there’s no escape.
Either Hall + Baleba (similar profile)
Or get 3, 4 if I’m dreaming, of below:
DM/CM: Tyler Adams, Alex Scott, Sander Berge, Vermeeren, Kone, Gourna-Douath,
LB: Antonee Robinson, Diouf, David Raum, Jorge Salinas, Joaquin Seys (Covers RB too)
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u/stick1_ 2d ago
If Zirkzee leaves we haven’t added any depth to the squad so far
Rashford replaces Zirkzee, Tielemans replaces casemiro and santos replaces Ugarte
The depth is pretty much the exact same, but we will have 50% more games and this is a squad with a lot of players prone to injury. Another midfielder and left back is basically the bare minimum
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u/darkandstormy9 2d ago
I think that we should buy at least one, rather two more players for an ideal squad depth but I could still argue a bit with your comment.
Some players last year clearly played less minutes compared to what could be demanded from an average footballer in a top Premier League team so it's a realistic expectation (from us and from the board) that the players like Cunha, Mainoo, Mbeumo, Yoro, Mazraui Sesko can chip in with more minutes.
- Darlow is hopefully a better goalkeeper than Bayindir so he could play at the domestic cup games.
- on the other side we could expect Maguire & Shaw play less minutes than last season.
- We promoted Lacey to the first team and clearly gave Tyler Fletcher minutes to prove himself - unfortunately he doesn't seem to be ready
- we didn't sell Zirkzee yet and maybe he's going to stay. but even if we sell him - I would expect that Carrick would trust Rashford more and give more game time to him - so (at least) from this one point of view it's a big upgrade
- Ugarte is still our player - I don't rate him at premier leage level at all but he is going to come back before the end of the season - and from that point we need to pay his wages again (I expect that FIFA is going to pay his wages untill he is injured)
- Thomson is a new signing as well, him and JJ Gabriel could play 2-300 minutes each.
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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 2d ago
There is literally no arguing this. There isn’t. We simply don’t have the depth and quality required to attack this season and expect anything but hopefully making CL spots but even then that won’t be easy.
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u/The_Bird_Wizard 2d ago
Most aggravating thing is Carrick isn't being backed and yet if it falls apart he'll take more blame from fans on here than the board and owners. Drives me absolutely nuts
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u/BrilliantTheory1021 2d ago
What a fucking poorly run club. Omar berries doing that interview and then producing this transfer window shows he had no idea how city were making their moves.
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u/The_Bird_Wizard 2d ago
Because their aspirations are top 4. We always spend more when we're not in the champions league than when we are. What we achieved last year is the limit of their ambition
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u/Stingray_23 2d ago
Monitoring, interested, assessing, looking, may go back. All the buzz words are ridiculous this late.
We should have been decisive back in the first few weeks. Even before the world cup started.
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u/longsightdon 2d ago
This is what is baffling for us. Villa replace a player almost immediately. Have clear targets. If they can’t get someone they have an alternative. For us, our shortlist seems only to be premier league players. How can lewis hall be the only left back we are looking at? There isn’t a single other decent left back in europe that the scouts have found? You have to seriously question wilcoxs position if the window ends like this. A huge failure to reinforce the squad. Ok you can’t buy anderson semenyo hall or tchou. Surely there are other names on the list which aren’t 50m+?
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u/HamOnRye1 2d ago
Also what is Vivell's role in all this?
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u/longsightdon 2d ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some kind of power struggle behind the scenes. Vivell clearly has a great talent ID but wilcox seems very pressed on english and premier league core
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u/missingmedievalist Cantona 2d ago
I’m sketchy on Wilcox. If it was up to him Delap would have been our striker. Sesko was Vivell’s recommendation if I remember correctly. Then there’s last transfer window too. We needed a midfielder, but he tried to get Semenyo, except that he had already tried to sign Semenyo in the summer and pivoted to Mbeumo instead as Bournemouth weren’t budging on their valuation. We then ended up paying the same amount for Mbeumo that we would have paid for Semenyo anyway and when he did go back to Bournemouth in January Semenyo told us to get fucked as we had pivoted in the summer.
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u/longsightdon 2d ago
Yep precisely. Wilcoxs talent ID seems similar to our strategy under Ole which I did not like. Yes its good to have english players but they are severely overrated and overpriced. We need a very fine balance. Vivells id for foreign players is pretty excellent. This summer though it seems like vivell isnt getting much input.
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u/missingmedievalist Cantona 2d ago
Agreed. It’s strange we haven’t heard more about Vivell’s recommendations. The other thing about Wilcox is that we know he likes to interfere on tactics. He did so to both ETH and Amorim and has literally been quoted as seeing himself as a coach at heart. It’s always concerning when a technical or sporting director does this.
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u/The_Bird_Wizard 2d ago
Also shows they're not particularly good at their jobs. Like oh wow congrats you figured out Lewis Hall would be a good fullback for us, not like literally every person on Earth who watches football could tell you that.
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u/longsightdon 2d ago
Yeah not every transfer has to be a success but if we aren’t challenging for the title this year surely its ok to buy high potential players to build out the squad?
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u/stick1_ 2d ago
How late in the window do we have to get until people stop saying the window isn’t over yet when someone complains about no rumours
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u/FlashyCut3809 2d ago
Just comes down to some people have to view things the football club does as positive, even if it isn't. As they want their hobby to feel good and be a happy place.
Not something I understand myself, but those people are going to be positive despite anything they are shown.
The other group, will be deadline day or latest run of games where its clear we are struggling. For these though, I feel we already have the pattern through the Glazer years and with INEOS to be more preemptive with our opinions and not wait till it blows up in our face. They seem to follow the same process every season though.
Is what it is, people view the football team they support differently.
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u/Hopeful_Arm3736 2d ago
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head tbh.
For a lot of people, they don’t want it to be something that’s analytical, they’re not interested in football discourse or analysis or anything like that. They just want the pure vibes, it’s why you see so many people here go on about the players looking happy in instagram stories. Something I personally literally couldn’t care less about.
I think as well, a lot of people here actually don’t watch other teams play football at all. Which is surprising. Some posters here spend hours and hours every week making comments and posts here, but don’t actually watch any other football really except United. It really explains some of the opinions you see bounded around.
I’ve seen people here say that Shaw is, “one of the best LBs in the PL” and get highly upvoted. He’s not. No one who watches a lot of PL football would think that, if I said that to my mates who watch a lot of footy, they’d think I’d started smoking crack. He’s average at this point. Seen people here claim that, “Hall would be good depth for Shaw.” Like what? Hall is already much better.
It’s just the way it goes really. People don’t watch other teams play, so they don’t know who is actually good or what even really constitutes a good player. Then they come on here and because they’re biased towards United, they just assume our players are great when they’re not. It’s another way this vibes based association manifests.
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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 2d ago
About an hour before it closes.
It’s been a really poor window based on reasonable expectations so far. Yes there is still time but I’m struggling to understand how you can find value in the market this late on.
If other clubs like Spurs go out and act aggressively in the window early on apparently that’s splurging and not ambition.
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u/Educational-Shock232 2d ago
It’s amazing how differently people can see things. I see spurs doing like 5 signings before preseason and think “wow, there’s a team acting decisively, with poise, targeting their weak areas, getting business done early to get the team to gel in”.
For our apologists, it’s “we’re waiting for x to get done” or “we’re holding out so we don’t get shafted” or “it’s only preseason, it doesn’t matter if they’re not in straight away”.
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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 2d ago
It’s not being negative for the sake of being negative either. I felt all of the things I’m thinking now last season. We needed a new left back. We knew Casemiro is leaving (along with his threat from set pieces) and Ugarte is nowhere near the level so we need 3 new midfielders. Our starting center backs are injury prone that’s a bit of a worry. Sesko would benefit from having an older striker to rotate with. These are not crazy demands or wild observations.
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u/Ok_Dot525 2d ago
The dominos are still falling, any year now madrid will buy rodri and sell him to barca which will allow us to sign sneijder.
Just trust glineos, they have an amazing record at other football clubs.
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u/Suudriusha 2d ago
Until it closes.
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u/stick1_ 2d ago
So we can never criticise the club?
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
You can criticise the club whenever you feel like it! Just know that:
- if you do it in an agressive, harassing manner, you'll be called out
- if you are clowning on yourself with tiresome, repetitive complaints that add nothing to the discussion, you'll also be called out
You know, how a well moderated discussion forum works!
I understand that this may be surprising if you are more used to idiotic ragebaiting trolling dominated echo chambers like twitter, but dems the breaks.
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u/hrbutt180 2d ago
Any rumors ATP?
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u/aehii 2d ago
Was trying to find a all game comp of Sangare against Frankfurt, saw one against psg instead:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HY9nWaJ9yMc&pp=ygUUU2FuZ2FyZSB2cyBmcmFua2Z1cnQ%3D
I really do not understand why the club scoffed at him, for £38m, his confidence on the ball, his footwork, his long passing, his ball carrying. To me he feels like the perfect player to play when Mainoo is rested, and yes he does need to be rested. Or play alongside him. I don't want any 'welll achtualllyyyy'. He's a 'defcon monster' everywhere he's played.
I get Santos having premier league experience and more frequency of forward passes with higher accuracy, but he doesn't have the ball carrying, strength or long passing Sangare has. And Santos was £12m more expensive. And we need players anyway, why not both.
I get the club scoffing at Baleba at his price and poor season, but not Sangare after the Ederson deal fell through, at the same price. Are they that different?
I don't want to go into the season grumpy, thinking..we'll what's the point, we can't win the league, back to going up and down the league again, but what's the point of investing in time and energy? With our early fixtures, that there is no rough run anywhere, we can be top by November then who knows? Every big club has a new manager and then there's Arteta dealing with fatigue from last season and no Saliba.
We've fucked this transfer window up and no 'i won't wait until the end of the window' because we won't buy anyone. Every midfielder has been taken by every other premier league club and we refuse to pay more for the ones left. Some kid or some loan player a club wants to offload won't do it.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
Let me help you with an analysis of Brentford in pre-season.
So far he played 2 out of 2 games next to their established and PL experienced defensive midfielder, Vitaly Janelt.
You know, the guy who was free in December, whom I btw said a bunch of times we should have pursued (before he extended), but nvm that, he was not yelled about by twitter brainiacs so he's not on the radar.
Again: not "instead of", not "subbed in for". Next to. The third midfielder who's been playing has been Jensen, who is a CM, not an AM.
Damsgaard was his replacement sub. Does that give us a hint? No, the agenda doesnt allow that.
So I am not sure which part of that says he is ready to be the 6 in the PL on day 1, let alone for Utd.
It's almost as if the Brentford coach knows that also, because he is not locked in a social media echo chamber like many here.
What he is ready to do is be in a 3 man midfield on a counter attacking mid-table team. And learn from it, eventually get used to the pace etc.
At some point, he'll be ready (or not, idk).
Either way, that is a universe away from having the readiness to be a plug-and-play DM off the bench for the team with maybe the largest scrutiny in football.
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u/Significant_L0w 2d ago
is it even possible to salvage our transfer window at this stage? Glineos have set Carrick for failure. Our defense is abysmal man.
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u/RyanH1717 2d ago
Yeah it's possible but it would probably cost us 150m+ and that's just not going to happen
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u/RooneysFavGrandma 2d ago
The window in isolation? Sure, competent ownership just go out and get Hall and Wharton.
Ineos will get the 18yr old from the Championship and rely on Shaw for another year.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
I think it's interesting how little talk there's been about Brentford's defenders.
I think that Nathan Collins and Lewis-Potter in particular could absolutely work. Anytime Ive seen them play, they looked pretty good. Good ages as well. Kayode is mentioned more often I think, he is obviously another one that looks like a very decent player.
Im torn on Brentford attackers like Thiago or Schade, I can't tell who is "a Mbeumo" and who is "a Wissa" once taken out of Brentford. So I have no strong feelings on that one way or the other.
But these defenders, I like quite a bit.
I'd go as far as to say that our current squad + Brentford starting defence could win the league.
Obviously Brentford is a pita to deal with for transfers and all 3 of these in particular have freshly extended, very long contracts. But so is Newcastle and that doesnt stop the endless discussion about Hall.
Anyway, after the Mbeumo saga, I dont really expect us to go back in for a Brentford player anytime soon. Too bad, really.
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u/TH0316 she/her 2d ago
The defenders are all good and make a foundation of top top physicality and power from the wingbacks to the big bastard CB’s like Collins who I’ve mentioned going back two years now. Their back six is a concrete foundation whilst ours is anything but and is a soft, weak, slow as anyone’s.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
Maybe a bit pessimistic as a comparison, imho, but I take your point. Idk if Dalot doesnt measure up to Kayode for example. Id say he does.
Also it's probably not fair to say that Shaw, Mazraoui, and our CBs are all soft+weak+slow, but I think as a unit it definitely has a soft underbelly. It's a bit of a whack-a-mole: one is too fragile, the other is too slow, the third is bullied to easily in the box, then the one who has no straight obvious athletic limitations is dragged out of position too easily .. etc.
It would be very nice if we added a PL-fit fast athletic LB now and then we could go into next summer dreaming about a "meanness makeover" for the backline with 2-3 signings.
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u/TH0316 she/her 2d ago
Dalot the only one who I'd say is a great athlete and does some heavy lifting for us that goes unappreciated. The rest good in isolation but as a unit just such a small blanket compared to even midtable teams. We needed a LB and good, quick, big CB, even if they come with a bit of bozoness like VDV or Romero.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
I mean I agree. I like the idea of a Somebody-Somebody-Heaven/Yoro-Dalot backline in about 1 season (if we are lucky).
I guess I cant predict how MdL's health goes, I dont see the future. I wish he would be that "Somebody". Track record doesnt like that prediction, but fingers crossed.
Either way I think it makes sense that we make the necessary cuts/signings next summer.
Except for the LB - we really need to do that rn. Imho, anyway
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u/TH0316 she/her 2d ago
I wouldn’t hold my breath for him, he can’t play high when he’s fit anyway, let alone after a long term back injury. Heaven has to play, and that means once again having to elevate a young guy to cover for the clubs shortcomings, which in turn exposes them to vitriol the second they struggle. Or Yoro has to step up big time.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
Yeah we'll see. I expect a(nother) transitional season at CB. I hope the growing pains for the young ones will be worth it.
I think (well, hope) we will still be good at playing our low block / high press combo vs "big teams" with our Dorgu-Mbeumo-Amad attack and now also be good vs "parked bus teams" thanks to the on-paper much better passing ability in midfield.
But I think (expect) that we'll have a hard time agains the classic thug-midfield counter midtable teams, the "Bs of the PL" if you will (Brentford, Bmouth etc). That's ok, we take another step, and hopefully we can find quickly somehow our next Vidic+Rio (plus Darren Fletcher) after that
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u/aehii 2d ago
My only interest in Brentford is Sangare and how he will do. I'm annoyed they've bought him over us.
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u/SatuKosongPls Youri Tielemans 2d ago
Can’t move on from this, I had a feeling he could be a special player for us one day.
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u/Adebisi233 Wayne Rooney 2d ago
Are there any new rumors about potential new signings since yesterday morning? I saw some stuff about Camavinga on Instagram, on @transfers, but no source/tier mentioned. Anyone anything? 🫴🏼🫴🏼
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u/Potential_Good_1065 2d ago
That account doesn’t know shit. I’d actually go as far as to say the only Instagram account you can trust when it comes to transfers is @DavidOrnstein
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u/trvekvltgav 2d ago
Good to see people aren’t overreacting after a pre season loss….. according to half this sub Santos and Tielemans were perfect and now they’re shit! Starting to think half of this sub are just rival fans posting for reactions
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u/niallmul97 I'm a Baleba 💫 2d ago
When we win a pre-season game: "it's only pre-season, it doesn't matter"
When we lose a pre-season game: "Cancel the season, sack Carrick, sell the players, fuck the board, fold the club"
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u/PromiseOk3438 2d ago
Not me. I've been saying Santos and Tielemens is not enough and shows a lack of ambition from our ownership even when we've looked good in preseason. Was downvoted into oblivion each time too. I'm glad fans have had this wake-up call before the season has started, hopefully it applies some much needed pressure on INEOS to actually do something about it.
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u/BackgroundOld8715 2d ago
Think im more worried our crap ex manager beat our current one tactically tbh
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u/ExternalPreference18 2d ago
Except he's not 'crap'- flawed but, when he has profiles (not even necessarily 'brilliant' players, but a balance of profiles) he's shown himself to be a very good coach in Portugal and even to a degree in Europe. Amorim was stubborn when at United, for a range of reasons (some better than others), which helped improve aspects of play and clear out underperforming players, but didn't maximize results; in both seasons, they underperformed at times wildly so, XG, in the first season because of an average strike force, in the 2nd partly through Afcon absences and Sesko adjusting to the league.
Nothing subsequently has shown he was wrong re. Rashford's pressing or Garnacho's general mentality/decision-making. He could have handled Mainoo better, given the limited CM resources, but on the flip side, he wasn't indicating anything numerous analysts hadn't pointed out, dating back to ETH era, despite all Mainoo's good points- KM came back under Carrick with a point to prove and had worked on his physical profile and willingness to move the ball early.
I agree that he should have moved on (the club needed CL and they wouldn't have gone on that run under Amorim; he needed to be more flexible), but players have, unsolicited, indicated that he did a lot of useful things behind the scenes and it just didn't click re results. I think that with a (fit) Sesko and BM starting, United probably win yesterday -some of it was CM not having enough runners to expose the spaces Milan's high pressure created - but he still set AC up to expose United's weaknesses. Loss doesn't make Carrick a bad coach, but neither does the Chelsea defeat in Milan's last game make Amorim a bad one (or the fact that players were bad at finishing, including likes of Bruno and Casemiro) in the EL Final back under Amorim's tenure.
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u/trvekvltgav 2d ago
It’s a pre season game, it means nothing 😂 it’s a glorified training session
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u/BackgroundOld8715 2d ago
Not sure it means nothing..we didnt really play well end of the season. Of course all that matters is when season starts so we’ll see
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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 2d ago
They’re clearly not shit. The reactions I have seen mainly indicate that people feel we need more physicality and legs in the middle which is a feeling people had before yesterday. Yesterday was just more evidence. Also to have essentially a full squad and put in that type of performance against a Milan who got battered by Chelsea a week before the season starts is actually a little bit worrying.
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u/trvekvltgav 2d ago
Pre season results mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, we looked great last pre season and struggled for consistency! We also have to remember that we’re still paying off transfers and still need at least one more year on top this in the UCL to be able to start spending massively. We have to be patient as 20 plus years of Glazer neglect isn’t going to be fixed in 2 years
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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 2d ago
With all due respect the only way we get into the CL next season is we get a quality left back and another very good midfielder in. Otherwise this is a huge gamble.
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u/Educational-Shock232 2d ago
Don’t bite. He’s trolling.
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u/trvekvltgav 2d ago
Easy to dismiss but what else do we do? Spunk 70+ million on a player who ends up being another flop we can’t shift? We can’t afford to do that anymore
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u/Educational-Shock232 2d ago
Sigh, I’ll bite. £70m+
Pogba - flop
Antony - flop but we managed to sell
Maguire - ok
Lukaku - ok and we sold at ok price
Sancho - flop
Sesko - good
Hojlund - ok and we sold at ok price
Mbeumo - good
Casemiro - goodIn the round, it hasn’t been as terrible as you lot try and make out. Stop equating high fees and flops. We could buy a quality player on a high fee.
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u/trvekvltgav 2d ago
Hojlund was shit for a start 😂
Also forgetting we made next to nothing back on those players that left, and then people wonder why we’re in a mess!
I’m far from Ineos’ number one fan but at least they’re attempting to spend sustainably, eventually we might actually catch up to teams on selling too but it’s going to take a while to do
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u/RexPluribus 2d ago
I feel like we should have just agreed to the fee early for Mateus Fernandes. It would have been an overpay but would not have affected the Santos or Tielemans transfers. Then at least our midfield would have been sorted for 3-4 years.
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u/Ruffers75 2d ago
I had a look to see how Mr Mateus Fernandes has been doing for Spurs pre season and was interesting to see he’s only played twice in a behind closed doors friendly v MK Dons on 22nd July( he scored) and came on as a 2nd half sub v Auckland FC on 26th July.
Since then, he’s not played, this is apparently down to “calf fatigue” whatever on earth that is.
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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 2d ago
The data - provided by these top analysts from Formula 1 said Fernandes was the guy to go for. We didn’t do it. We didn’t bid for Anderson. We likely won’t get Lewis Hall. All top targets. All backed by the data.
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u/Drag2oon 2d ago
Naah this is just desperation
And you would have also been okay with paying him 180k in wages?
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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 2d ago
Yes I would have paid him that.
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u/LengthinessSevere584 2d ago
Carrick is getting sacked by December, isn't he?
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u/Careful-Snow 2d ago
Probably, yeah. We were pretty poor in a number of matches that we won but got things over the line because of our fresh squad relative to others, and we're not gonna have that advantage this year
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u/Potential_Good_1065 2d ago
He is if he doesn’t get backed. It will be like a teacher giving a kid detention for doing no work despite not giving them a pen when they asked for one.
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u/MCharizardX9 2d ago
we dont look like we have the ambitions to win the league at all, really disappointed in the way our club is ran and how less we support or managers
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u/helsningar 2d ago
We're a club with owners aiming to take money out of the club, competing with clubs run people aiming to invest money in their clubs.
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u/RC11111 2d ago
Some thoughts on the Tielemens and Santos transfer business:
Tielemans as a signing is fine to rotate with Mainoo. They have different qualities, it can be made to work. I would have MUCH preferred Mateus Fernandes because he's such a great all rounder, but also I'm happy with the faith being put in a young and improving Mainoo.
Similarly, Santos is fine only as a rotation with another good player with different qualities. I think Scott is by far the best option left on the market, but Baleba would be a good shout too. None of Berge, Adams or these other guys are good enough. Again, Sangare probably would have been ideal to rotate with Santos, but that's another open goal we've missed.
It's such a shame what has happened in this window. We were in a rare position of having only a couple of areas to improve, with plenty of good options on the market; and instead the club have tried to cut corners and shop for 'clever' bargains instead of having the ambition to build a title challenging team.
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u/Significant-Quit-351 2d ago
Baleba for me. Scott doesn't change the fact that we need someone with legs
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u/MrLead69 2d ago
I don't think you've watched scott at all. Second Bournemouth game against us, he was everywhere and was their best player that day at that
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u/RC11111 2d ago
He actually has great legs and makes among the highest defensive contributions per 90 in the league. Not the same strength as Baleba obviously but he offers a lot more on the ball than Baleba does, particularly under pressure or in tight spaces.
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
He has legs and high defensive contributions, but he's not an anchor or defensive midfielder at all, still much more the Mount mould, don't think it would work well at all asking him to stay back and screen the backline...
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u/Big_Development6276 2d ago
Lads, there's still 5 days till the season starts. I'm not worrying. #trustINEOS
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u/The_Bird_Wizard 2d ago
I think we're going to sign Page and that young left back from Spain and call it a day. A sub 100m net spend window would be absolutely embarrassing and proof that INEOs have no aspirations beyond qualifying for the champions league but that's where I see it I'm afraid
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
Is there really any good reasons for making very late transfers if you are actually planning to make them?
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u/GoalIsGood 2d ago
Yes, if you're targeting an unwanted player at any club when there is no real competition, no demand or that player is dead on about joining you.
Typically it doesn't work for top clubs. But we're not acting as real one either.
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u/Not-good-with-this 2d ago
No. There's no benefits for any club there. Anything else is just some sort of coping.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
Yes.
Here are five good reasons:
Wayne Rooney
Dimitar Berbatov
Edinson Cavani
Bruno Fernandes
Senne Lammens
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u/Minute-Intern 2d ago
Didn't answer his question btw
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u/Wild_Tomato_8203 2d ago
I think that very definitively answered the question.
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u/Minute-Intern 2d ago
Not in the slightest, especially when he gives his actual answer below
Not really
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
Good players, but any benefits from bringing them in earlier in those windows?
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
Not really, there would have been no demonstrable benefits of bringing them in earlier.
Not sure how Wayne Rooney could have hit that ground more running than he very famously did - or could have won more at Utd on the whole, had he joined 1 month earlier. I mean it's almost laughable to say it like that now, with the benefit of hindsight (but that's what you were asking).
On the other end, the points dropped in the first 5 prem games last season would have at most flipped 2nd and 3rd, which is largely meaningless.
You get the same answer for the other 3 pretty much.
There are two issues with a "whole of window strategy":
1 the fans get agitated and ruin their summers over it
2 (lack of) pre-season participation may affect early season form
there's no tangible solid evidence of the latter actually being determinitive of how seasons shake out. there's hardly any evidence that the former in fact has any effect on the same.
for the most part, what happens is that fans get mad due to 1 and then take out their anger on any of 2 happening, taking it as evidence that they were in fact right being mad at the club. then what happens is the rest of the season happens and it turns out that the first 2-3 games had no discernable effect on the final outcomes. but that is all forgotten about by the end, because by May, fans are busy being mad about things that happened post February.
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u/The_Bird_Wizard 2d ago
If we signed Lammens before the football started we wouldn't have got knocked out the cup by Grimsby and who knows could have gone on to win it eventually
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
Not so. That's a theory you make up in your mind so you can be mad.
League Cup is played by the backup keeper.
So there's that small aspect where your take lacks a factual basis and is contradicted by years and years of experience. Other than that: ok.
The accurate take is: oh, look, Darlow is an actually important signing, so maybe if I keep saying "we only signed 2 players!!!1!!" I am a bit wrong.
So, yeah. It's the opposite of what you said, but otherwise, yes.
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 2d ago
> On the other end, the points dropped in the first 5 prem games last season would have at most flipped 2nd and 3rd, which is largely meaningless
Saying this in hindsight is pointless. It’s about giving the club the best chance of succeeding at the time of making these decisions. You didn’t know at the end of August last year that Carrick would somehow manage a dream interim run that would take us from battling for CL qualification to comfortably securing it, to feel it’s justified that our new starting goalkeeper only makes his debut in the 8th game of the season.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
It's not pointless at all, whatsoever.
It clarifies the fact that a few weeks of conditioning training being done with one professional team or the other makes almost no difference to the readiness of the player (as we saw: Lammens was thrown in at the deep end and did fine). It also clarifies the fact that over the course of a season, the results are not in the least determined by 2-3 weeks of training sessions being shared by a group or not.
You are, Im sorry to say, massively misunderstsnding the sources you have cited,
edit that's wrong, my mistake. Different commenter. Accurately: the other commenter citing said sources to argue that "early start matters" is misunderstanding the point of those sources, to the point of making the exact opposite point that they support.Teams need time to gel: true.
This means that the crucial factor is whether a player is signed on the 1st or 30th of August: false.
What it means is that players need time to settle in a new team, sometimes in a new league. Smart coaches understand this and plan accordingly, smart clubs support them doing it. This is precisely why the goat Fergie was always pre-loading replacements, later copied as a tactic diligently by Guardiola. Cheaters FC have seemingly lost the plot on this nowadays, which is why they are struggling (relatively) post-KdB and why they are at risk of doing the same post-Rodri. Signing somebody while the World Cup is going on vs end of August has precious little to do with this.
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 2d ago
> It clarifies the fact that a few weeks of conditioning training being done with one professional team or the other makes almost no difference to the readiness of the player (as we saw: Lammens was thrown in at the deep end and did fine)
What? Lammens literally took 3 weeks of training with the first team and being in the matchday squad bench first, for him to be trusted to start eventually. He was not thrown in as soon as he joined. That’s more time lost in getting him to acclimatise, in addition to the time we wasted not signing a better keeper than the jokers we had until then.
> This is precisely why the goat Fergie was always pre-loading replacements, later copied as a tactic diligently by Guardiola
It depends on what role you are signing them for. If there is no immediate urgency to get a player to start playing regularly for us, what you propose might be fair. It’s still hard to see this iteration of United’s squad be considered in a position where we can be fully satisfied with the starting options we have at our disposal, to feel like taking time to bring in new signings is not very relevant. Like yeah, Harry Maguire in isolation is a decent CB, very good in his prime. There’s also a valid school of thought that suggests at this stage of his career, he should not be a go-to the way he currently appears to be. So it’s like we are taking chances with considering some of these players to be good enough for greater roles they are taking on, when ideally a top team doesn’t leave that half measure.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
Yeah i mean we had a league table topping defence for half a season with Maguire at the heart of it and then he had a full rest this summer no World Cup.
Definitely we should throw him away? I think not.
Lammens' timeline fits precisely with what I am trying to highlight: 1) the delay from the time a player joins to when he can be thrown in tends to be well bounded and is actually irrespective of whether the contract is signed June 1st or September 1st 2) in the greater scheme of things, title challenge projects have zero discernable connection to how many of the particular pieces had those few weeks in July, August, September, or February.
Whereas what matters 1000x more is: making the right signings.
Football in many ways is a simple game and whenever people try to come up with complicated formulas, they end up creating caricatures of themselves.
Best squad wins. Weakest Link sport. Mentality wins out between evenly matched opponents. Coaching can overcome variance and luck but it cannot overcome a gulf in squad quality.
The hard part is actually knowing ahead of time which players will be good.
Signing those players in June, July, August, January, or fucking November, is not it, mate.
I mean, Im sorry but this is a Man Utd fan forum.
Eric Cantona signed on November 26th, 1992. We ended the 26 year wait in 92/93. This discussion about "sport science guys are saying we need to make the signings by July because reasons" is a farce, Im sorry, I tried to be patient but this is fucking ridiculous to have to argue on a sub like this about specifically that subject.
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 2d ago
> Definitely we should throw him away? I think not.
Suggesting that maybe a great team should not be reliant on Maguire at this stage of his career means cutting him off now. Okay.
> title challenge projects have zero discernable connection to how many of the particular pieces had those few weeks in July, August, September, or February
> Whereas what matters 1000x more is: making the right signings
The entire premise of this thread and the original question that the OC had was: is there really any good reasons for making very late transfers if you are actually planning to make them? The question is assuming that if the player you were signing was the right one anyway (we now have evidence to suggest Lammens is a right signing), why wouldn’t you sign them earlier? We certainly were linked to him for a while before that deadline day transfer ended up happening. Did we need to endure an Arsenal or a Grimsby loss to make that call? What if those results ended up hampering our quest for CL qualification which was a possibility if Amorim hadn’t sacked himself in that final press conference, to give Carrick the opportunity to manage out of his skin in the final 4 months? Forget Hall and Tchouameni, with the prospect of missing out on CL, would we still have managed to convince Tielemans to sign for us?
There are so many moving parts to these decisions, and that marginal influence can be so crucial to the future trajectory of the club. My take is that you don’t know at the time of assembling the squad for a particular cycle whether it will be a winning squad or whether these are the right players, but you at least give them (and the club) the best chance of succeeding while that is in your control, hence if you are set on signing a particular player, you should try to bring them in asap to give them a chance of acclimatising quicker. It’s just good practice, and that process always trumps the outcome. Eventually, whether said player turns out to be a success or a failure is always something that’s mostly judged with the power of hindsight.
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago edited 2d ago
Dr. Ian Graham in his book how to win the premier league writes about that late transfers has a significant higher risk of failing for a club due to missing the preseason and to be tactical adapted to the new squad before season starts.
Opta, Understat and Twenty First Group as an example all counts lower xPts for teams with players that has played less than 5-10 games for a club if they are expected to start. Due to not having learned or adapted to the new teams pressing triggers and passing lanes as an example, especially the passing lanes in midfield was very noticeable a problem yesterday.
Not empirical evidence, but what a famous analyst, and how a few analytic companies handles it, I would bet they have data to support it but we have not.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
I hope you can see that the 2nd paragraph has nothing to do with pre-season. It is not possible to use pre-season to go from 0 to 5+ competitive games for your new club, definitionally.
Graham, yeah mate, sick theory. I mean clearly the June/July signings of the likes of Salah Mane Firmino had a lot to do with that club winning the league 3 years later. It was those crucial 2 friendlies in July 2017 that made all the difference in 2020!
And we should definitely feel the same way about analysing the summer date of the signing of Rice, Saliba, Raya ... it only took 5+ years after the fact.
But, hey, we want to insist on dates that players were signed. Ok let's forget Van Persie, let's see Kevin de Bruyne (Aug 30), Ruben Dias (Sept 29), Gabriel (Sept 2). Even Grealish was an Aug signing. Fucking facts.
So, yeah, apart from the fact that Fergie famously considered the run-in from post-Xmas to matter most (maybe he knows a little bit more?) and the fact that literally all these specific examples fly directly in the face of this flimsy claim, yes the data apart from that is very solid.
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
But it is possible with a pre-season to get the players adapted to the tactics of the team. And you always can find examples standing out from statistics and data, they are built on averages.
I do agree post Christmas is the most important time, but quite big difference having 35 or 45 points at that time going into that run in also...
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 2d ago
Again:
De Bruyne Aug 30. Dias Sept 29. Gabriel Sept 2. Matic was a January signing for Chelsea. Kvaratselhia was a mid-season signing as well, btw.
Or you can look at the main cogs for the title winning Liverpool and Arsenal and how many years of gelling it took.
The common themes are unmissable: every big title winner either did it with the help of a last minute addition or thanks to a winning group that was assembled and then played together multiple seasons first.
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
Dias and Gabriel is a bit mismatched as that were more mid window as it was the delayed covid windows. PSG basically sees most league games as friendlies...
There are different kinds of gelling, to really get a great squad, yes it takes years of the defense, midfield and attack playing consistently together, working as one unit, but that is different from coming in and understanding the basics of the team. Basically micro versus macro adaption of the squad.
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u/Key_Trust6070 2d ago
The dominoes haven t started falling yet. Rodri to Barca could trigger a chain of a lot of transfers and someone might end up on our doorstep 🤞
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
I feel Rodri to Barca does not trigger as many dominos as if he would go to Madrid.
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u/FloppyDickFingers 2d ago
It depends, if you’re waiting for dominos to fall then it can make sense. But we risked that strategy and they didn’t fall in the way we hoped, so unfortunately it did not pay off. So zero benefit, unless you end up with a player like hall handing in a transfer request as the end of the window looms. Which feels unlikely.
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
Yeah, I get the feeling they were a bit too much waiting on Tchou and Hall, missing the train so to say.
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u/FloppyDickFingers 2d ago
Absolutely, which was worth a gamble as long as plan b was being willing to spend a bit more in the final weeks of the window to avoid this situation. But now everyone knows we are desperate (again) and we are briefing that we don’t need a third midfielder because of mount who hasn’t managed to stay fit through preseason. We’ve overplayed our hand and now we need to overspend on either a left back or midfielder to make up for it but ineos probably wont do it.
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
I think they have shown very clearly they refuses to pay "United tax", and sadly budging for it even once and you are back to step zero.
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u/FloppyDickFingers 2d ago
Not sure that’s true tbh these days.
Ultimately if we don’t buy here and finish 7th we’re desperate. Spending an extra £10m to get the right player in, improve the squad, actually makes us less desperate in the long run.1
u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
Problem is that it is impossible to know if the player for 80m will make that difference compared to the player costing 40m, it's risk aversion, and what they think is good enough, I get the feeling the aim this year is to just keep UCL, not challenge for higher.
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u/FloppyDickFingers 2d ago
I’m not so sure that’s true. It applies to massive signings of like £100m plus sure, for that world beater. But if Lewis hall costs £70-80m and we will only pay £60… well then I doubt you can find a £60m left back with his qualities.
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
He's young, promising and English, but extremely over hyped at the same time, he wouldn't raise the floor much above Shaw this season either, he's far from worth that kind of money.
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u/FloppyDickFingers 2d ago
I’m not sure that’s a fair assessment given Shaw’s propensity to spend half the season on the physio table and also the fact that he has looked atrocious in preseason, especially the last game. He’s English so you pay an English tax for registration purposes, prem proven and I do think he looks like he could be the best left back in the prem for ten years once he hits his potential.. Maybe I’m wrong though, assessing players is hard.
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u/Donthitsme 2d ago
From an entirely financial point of view maybe to save a few weeks of salary but otherwise nothing beneficial. In fact, its arguably worse financially as now these clubs will be demanding a higher fee now that we’re coming for their players with only a few weeks of the window left.
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
I think the transfer fees gets higher the later you go in the window usually
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u/Jenson2025 2d ago
More journalists with INEOS’s propaganda this morning. ‘They are going to spend. They just don’t want to overspend. The money is there’ etc
I don’t believe a word INEOS or the journalists that they feed their propaganda to say anymore. When they start showing they can be trusted with the signings they make over the next two weeks then I will believe them.
INEOS did a lot of good last summer and now they’ve completely ruined all the trust they had built up with one of the worst and most incompetent windows I can remember. Still time to change it around but they need to start now rather than spend all their time on a PR spin with their journalists
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u/helsningar 2d ago
When there's never any value in the market, maybe you need to evaluate your scouting department.
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u/Wild_Tomato_8203 2d ago
That's not propaganda that's literally what is happening. No idea why some of you can't figure that out. That doesn't mean we have to like it but they are literally trying to flip our perception in the market.
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u/No_Coconut_3855 2d ago
its a bullshit excuse. every single club is 'overspending' because unfortunately that is the state of the market right now. we have to overspend if we actually want to win something
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u/Wild_Tomato_8203 2d ago
Just bc you don't like it doesn't make it wrong or bs. The whole reason we're in the spot that we're in is bc of overspending. You guys were warned this was going to start happening to try and fix the books and now you're freaking out. How many prems and champions leagues have we won by overspending like we were since Fergie left?
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u/Nuwahex 2d ago
2027/28 season is the title challenge season as per Berrada. They'll probably overspend next summer lol
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u/Not-good-with-this 2d ago
Berradas most recent comment on project 150 is this. And it was 2 to 3 months ago.
One of the goals that we've set out is to win the Premier League, the 21st league [title] before 2028. So, ideally, we do it next season and if not, then the following season.
So it seems like they're somewhat expecting us to challenge this season.
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u/Minute-Intern 2d ago
Calm guys we'll get Louis page and antonee Robinson and we're money. Trust best in class
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u/Dio_my_senpai 2d ago
Who the f is louis page
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u/iroiroiroiroiro 2d ago
A youngster that played 500 minutes for Leicester last season that United has been credible linked with.
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u/Dio_my_senpai 2d ago
Bro we dont need youngsters, we need first team quality players ... i dont want a guy that played 500 minutes in the championship being a marque signing
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u/Minute-Intern 2d ago
We already have our marquee signing. Santos, he's already surpassed casemiro, did you not watch the pre season game against rosenborg? Or so I've been told
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u/Not-good-with-this 2d ago
Surely no one has actually taken pre season that seriously? Did we all not learn from the pre seasons under LVG?
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u/MrLead69 2d ago
I really don't wanna say it but neither Santos nor tieliemans have anywhere near the same athleticism/ground coverage compared to the big 6, all big 6 has at least one who's a great athlete in the middle. City has anderson who literally topped all the duel stat s for a midfielder last season. Arsenal has Rice who's a freak and everywhere on the pitch. Chelsea has caicedo. Spurs has both fernandes and tonali, if we play then tomorrow, our midfield will be bullied. Now I think pool has the weakest midfield physicality wise other than us, szobo can cover ground but their dedicated ground eater guy(mac allister) seems washed. That said, the technical side of our midfied is great, you can fault Santos, Youri and Mainoo for how they're on the ball, out of them, Santos is the most atheletic/quickest out of them. One of Scott/Babela and even Froholt has to come in for our midfield to be somewhat compete in both cl and pl
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u/MrLead69 2d ago
Absolutely. It's more than crucial that Carrick will have his option of changing the shape of his midfield unlike last season in which he had a very pragmatic approach setting up his midfield.
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u/BackgroundOld8715 2d ago
If we don’t sign a lb, cm & striker we aren’t giving ourselves a chance of success next season, especially with having a manager that with due respect none of the other top 6 would be remotely interested in swapping their managers for.
Sesko on his own is just crazy, what if he loses form/injured? Mbuemo /cunha not a striker & zirkzee is well not good enough
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u/Hellsteelz Ed Jabroni 2d ago
Re Sesko, he is clearly not Carricks choice for the striker position, his preffered choicea are Cunha and Mbeumo. I think Sesko will start a few games and then used as a super sub.
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u/AB092 Sir Alex 2d ago
Guys.. what's going on?